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« on: February 21, 2013, 01:09:09 AM »
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from Seth Godin: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2013/02/should-you-work-for-free.html

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2013, 05:44:10 AM »
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Seems to make sense as he writes it, but I think one should treat all such requests with caution if not downright suspicion.

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2013, 06:26:17 AM »
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Over the years I lost count of the number of clients who suggested I should work for less on current briefs - never for free - with the promise of better paying briefs to come. My reply was always "I can't live on promises". Thankfully agents protected me from most clients.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2013, 08:08:01 AM »
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Over the years I lost count of the number of clients who suggested I should work for less on current briefs - never for free - with the promise of better paying briefs to come. My reply was always "I can't live on promises". Thankfully agents protected me from most clients.


Damn! For years I'd imagined that to be peculiar to Scottish clients in the rag trade!

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2013, 10:50:08 AM »
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Must be 'work for free/don't work for free' essay week.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 12:56:05 PM »
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Damn! For years I'd imagined that to be peculiar to Scottish clients in the rag trade!

If only, Rob, if only...
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 01:35:23 PM »
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Sure I'll work for free. 
But you'll get what you paid for.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 02:25:43 PM »
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It's been a lotta years since I did a photo shoot for pay. I did a whole bunch of photo shoots for outfits like the Colorado Springs Downtown Partnership for free, but one thing I've never done during my "retirement" is take on a job that a local pro could handle. If there was money involved I always pointed the client at one of my pro friends, one whose work I appreciated, and often one who was struggling to make it.
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2013, 07:23:23 PM »
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The lady who cuts my hair once told me that that when you do something for free, this is the value the customer places on the service.

If you are doing it for the experience, well then, thats a free education.

If you are doing it to get exposure, you have told the masses you are a rube.

More people will complain when they get "it" for free, whatever "it" is.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2013, 10:39:08 PM »
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Nearly all the value of an item or a service is in the labour.
There is relatively little value in the atomized components (if one wants to go to that extreme) of my wide-screen TV as an example but plenty of value in its current form. It is only the human intervention that could possibly have got everything together to produce that TV.

IMHO it is really a human rights issue.
If you work you must be paid.
Nobody should expect one's labour to be provided for free.
In the realm of employment - no pay, no value - as simple as that.

One may make a voluntary decision to do this but there should not be an expectation on the part of the employer or contractor that one will work for free.

I am certainly not left-wing in my politics but I fundamentally believe that if one is not paid one's worth then one is worthless.
I do not believe I am worthless therefore I want to be paid what I am worth!

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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2013, 03:03:48 AM »
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when you do something for free, this is the value the customer places on the service.


Dead right.

Also, we generally find that the people who want us to charge less or do unpaid work own a more expensive house & car than we do.

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2013, 08:25:39 AM »
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The lady who cuts my hair once told me that that when you do something for free, this is the value the customer places on the service.

Hi, Sys, Generally, I agree with you, and I price my gallery prints accordingly. But when I was working for free for the Downtown Partnership, which simply didn't have money to pay a working pro, what I got was coverage in their website. For a long time at least 98% of the photographs on that site were mine. The result was improved gallery sales. Sometimes you have to go 'round Robin Hood's barn to get to where you want to end up.
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2013, 09:50:59 AM »
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Dead right.

Also, we generally find that the people who want us to charge less or do unpaid work own a more expensive house & car than we do.

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You must have lived in Glasgow too.

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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2013, 02:35:17 PM »
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You must have lived in Glasgow too.

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Not quite. I spent a fair bit of time up there in the early nineties but wasn't in gainful employment at the time so wouldn't know whether the folk there are good payers or not.

We've been based in north-western England for the last 10 years and the clients we deal with here are the most straightforward we've had.

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