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« Reply #560 on: January 01, 2014, 07:36:40 PM »
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She fits in everywhere, Rob, and never an eyelash out of place.
This is a wonderful series!
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« Reply #561 on: January 02, 2014, 01:36:32 AM »
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She fits in everywhere, Rob, and never an eyelash out of place.
This is a wonderful series!

Indeed... although I wonder what the neighbours must be muttering to each other with you two being out together so often.

Mike.
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« Reply #562 on: January 02, 2014, 04:06:47 AM »
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Thank you for the kind words, folks; truth is, the thing's a m¡xture of things that come to mind before I do them and others that just happen because of where we both find ourselves... she's so hard to say 'no' to. (Flutters his own almost vanished eyelashes.)

There's a page devoted to her on the website, but it's not up-to-date right now - not through laziness, but because I can't access the Weebly account yet again! This time, it's not W8's fault - the glitch happened a few times with Windows Vista too, and currently, neither system lets me in to edit. Cookies are allowed in both machines, but so far, the problem persists. To be fair, I have not contacted Weebly yet on this occasion because of the seasonal inappropriateness of bearing bad tidings; but things change later today when the Xmas cards get bagged. ;-)

http://www.roma57.com/coke.html

That's the link to the web page.

Actually, finding a so-called project has been rather beneficial for me, and I'm a bit surprised it took so long to register with me; after all, it's just the same deal as an assignment other than the small detail that I don't get paid to do it... oh well, swings etc. If I may, I'd like to point out that feeling that undeniable need to carry on clicking does sort of substantiate a past argument where I held that becoming a pro might take more love/dedication to the medium than not... were it otherwise, at least in my case, I'd perhaps be spending more time sitting in bars instead. Not drinking, because of medical prohibition, but indulging in the art of mutual boring, which seems to be the thing around this part of expat Spain; we have experts. But then, they do enjoy the lubricational benefits of alcohol which possibly changes the concept of boredom into something else...such as the taking of pictures, perhaps.

Enjoy the year,

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« Reply #563 on: January 02, 2014, 08:06:17 AM »
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from my mostly irrelevant perspective,

I have often looked at favored artists, wondered about their lives, looked at their work, been in deep with a few as they arted (lol-arted!)
followed a few close enough to see the changes.

I haven't looked forward to a new installment by an artist in twenty years.
I look forward to every new piece you're doing Rob.
fuckin awesome man!
forgive my inability to talk like the rest of yall.
a coke bottle.
ferchristssake
I'd stand in a room full of those images for sure.
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« Reply #564 on: January 02, 2014, 09:07:35 AM »
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Thanks for putting it so well, Rocco. I, too, look forward to every new piece that Rob does.

Keep on "arting," Rob!
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« Reply #565 on: January 02, 2014, 09:36:21 AM »
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Shoot! Now I feel the pressure start! Just like I'd found a twenty-year old... (bottle of whisky, I mean).

Let's all unwind with memories of the local close-to-school café jukebox where I'd spend lunchtime blowing the lunch money on a packet of crisps and, of course, a Coke, instead of real food. Even then I understood the concept of soul food, well before Motown or anyone else had defined it.

http://youtu.be/BUSGKlGCIT4

Thanks again for the kindness - warms me up!

;-)

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« Reply #566 on: January 02, 2014, 12:39:14 PM »
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My fondest memories of Coke are from way back when I was about ten or so. I had a buddy who knew the secret of the big Coke machine at the local gas station. He knew just where to kick it on the side, near the back, in such a way as to dislodge a bottle without putting in a nickel.

Ah, the Good Old Days!
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« Reply #567 on: January 02, 2014, 04:34:38 PM »
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http://www.roma57.com/coke.html

That's the link to the web page.
Fantastic series, Rob! Maybe we could get Michael to feature this, and maybe Rob would be so kind as to give us some teaching on "contrast, gesture, and implication" for example. I think there is beauty both in subject matter/composition and in technical execution. One could "go to school" on that series.
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« Reply #568 on: January 03, 2014, 03:27:04 AM »
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Fantastic series, Rob! Maybe we could get Michael to feature this, and maybe Rob would be so kind as to give us some teaching on "contrast, gesture, and implication" for example. I think there is beauty both in subject matter/composition and in technical execution. One could "go to school" on that series.



David,

Well that's a very flattering post, but I fear you're both looking for, and hoping for too much from me!

There's simply not a lot to teach or to say: up until now, the stuff's produced on PS6 of which I use little but Curves and some Colour Balance, sometimes locally, as when I convert the originals to b/w via Channel Mixer (the only way I've ever tried to do it) and try to give slightly off tints/tonalities, something quite new for me which in the days of wet chemistry I disliked... I even bought a bottle of expensive selenium toner once - only once, and never used it after I read the bottle's health warnings. Apart from that, it's just a matter of stopping when I think it's the best I can do with it.

Rereading this again after posting, I suppose the bottom line is that I spent too many years in darkrooms, both other people's and my own, and the direct result of that was to learn what a print can reasonably do or not do, so there are times when I really stop after the first few minutes; there's just nothing there, not necessarily shape-wise, but in the quality of the captured file. There are lots of blind alleys in photography, and I've found quite a few of them.

Thanks again for the nice words - just wish I had something more useful to offer from this end of the discussion!

Rob C
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« Reply #569 on: January 03, 2014, 10:28:03 AM »
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Teetotal -more or less - so some walls instead. Sorry, no bricks...

;-)

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« Reply #570 on: January 03, 2014, 11:25:13 AM »
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Another from this afternoon, but also a new PS problem: the cropping tool goes all skittish when very near the edge of the image. This used to happen years ago on an old laptop, but never on a desktop model. If it ain't one damned thing drives you mad...

Anybody had this happen to them?

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« Reply #571 on: January 03, 2014, 12:46:58 PM »
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And where, oh where, is my Cokely Love in these last two images?
Inside the repair shop seducing the repairman? Playing hard-to-get just outside the window?

As for the crop tool: Is there any chance that "snap to grid" is turned on (under the "view" menu). That sometimes trips me up.
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« Reply #572 on: January 03, 2014, 01:12:38 PM »
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also a new PS problem: the cropping tool goes all skittish when very near the edge of the image.

On my Mac if I hold the Control key while operating the crop tool it allows for far more precise increments.  By the way, if you use the crop tool in conjunction with the shift key it will preserve the original aspect ratio.

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« Reply #573 on: January 03, 2014, 01:29:23 PM »
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And where, oh where, is my Cokely Love in these last two images?
Inside the repair shop seducing the repairman? Playing hard-to-get just outside the window?

As for the crop tool: Is there any chance that "snap to grid" is turned on (under the "view" menu). That sometimes trips me up.


Yes, it was! However, switching that off hasn't helped. What happens is, that starting with the whole, freshly opened file, when I switch on the crop tool in the Toolbox and take the cursor up to the top left corner intending to drag it down to the bottom right, all works as normal until I'm about a centimetre or just less from the lower edge of the image, at which point, the lower edge of the crop stops right there and won't reach down to the bottom of the picture.

Also, when I try to move a single boundary line, the opposite one drags along with it across the image, cutting off bits I wanted to leave in! I can no longer move one edge at a time.

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« Reply #574 on: January 03, 2014, 01:48:00 PM »
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On my Mac if I hold the Control key while operating the crop tool it allows for far more precise increments.  By the way, if you use the crop tool in conjunction with the shift key it will preserve the original aspect ratio.

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Water, I'm currently thinking of having W8 pulled the hell out of the box, and my old, original XP put in instead. I recently discovered the original CD for it along with the code. I thought both had been long gone, but I'd simply put them into the wrong box along with the ADSL contract stuff, a place I never have need to look

It may not be so crazy: my LaCie Blue Eye Pro calibration device doesn't work with W8. LaCie have been worse than useless; the advice I got from their Spanish guy was that his worked perfectly with his Mac... Jesus, I have a PC, as he knows; is that a professional service doing its thing? Mine still works perfectly with the old XP! The other problem is that following the advice and troubleshooting moves in the PDF Help download, the steps don't include my problem (the calibration programme keeps saying no puck is connected), and the final answer, after clicking on all their closest examples of problem, is that it's an incompatibility thing, and goodnight.

Also, the SanDisk reader won't work on W8 either, despite all the various web-based advice groups I keep getting sent to by Microsoft et al.

So reverting to an XP installation in the new computer box may save me a new calibration system as well as another card reader.

I hate these companies with a vengeance. So far, it's a grand down the toilet.

Rob C
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« Reply #575 on: January 03, 2014, 04:44:45 PM »
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If you learn virtual machines and master this windows software I'll have a regular cow Rob.
You can manage outdated software and lost functionality by rolling back to previous versions.
Look, the easy answer is to update to student status, Rob, take a computer class, the kids will mess with your head-
how do they know this shit?
Anyhow, don't abandon things just yet,
xp was cool,
I know why you like it.
W7 is really cool, I haven't used W8.
I spent lots of time researching the thing from the advanced consumer standpoint.
You can use your outdated software.
You just have to wrap your head around it.
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« Reply #576 on: January 03, 2014, 06:38:46 PM »
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Another vote for Win 7. It works, unlike XP or W8. And I run my Sandisk card reader that was on my old XP system with no problem. My Monaco Optix calibration thingy from XP days works fine also on Win 7. And all sorts of old software can be run easily using various "compatibility" modes.

I think it is supposed to be fairly straightforward to downgrade (upgrade in my opinion) from Win 8 to Win 7, but I haven't tried it, having avoided Win 8 like the plague.

Calm down, spend some quality time with Lady Coke, and she what she suggests.

Good luck!
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« Reply #577 on: January 04, 2014, 03:17:28 AM »
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Hi guys,

So far, perhaps because of the 'holiday period' I have not had any really intense contact with the shop where this comp. was built, but next week I shall return, machine in tow, looking for a resolution to everything. I have to say, it's utterly ruined the photographic experience and even the imagined benefits of a more powerful outfit have not materialised to any noticeable degree.

I had no gripe with XP at all - it, like my version of PS, did far more than I was either capable of using or interested in exploring; I wanted/want the closest digital experience to the wet photography (no shower suggestions, please) experience with which I am comfortable, and had few complaints with XP until the machine went nuts. I'm amazed that since ordering the new one, the old one developed a new lease of life! Nevertheless, I still want the new machine and will keep the old as insurance.

Apart from photography, all I need is the ability to write letters and send/receive e-mail. I don't even bank with the damned things.

Oh - if the shop won't do an exchange to W7, are there any new reasons why using my immaculate, original XP CD to install XP is not a bright idea, bearing in mind my limited needs from computers? I don't seek upgrades, just hope for online security and no more money down the toilet!

Next week the new year really begins!

Rob C

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« Reply #578 on: January 04, 2014, 03:33:12 AM »
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Rob, I feel for you.

Yes, Windows 8 sucks, but having said that we have it on our travel laptop and have managed to get it working for us. But, if I were you, I'd have W8 replaced with W7 and start again. I certainly wouldn't go with XP as it is outdated and will soon lose all support from Microsoft.

On a lighter note, have you considered buying a selection of vintage coke bottles? Plenty of interesting variations on eBay at very reasonable prices.
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« Reply #579 on: January 04, 2014, 05:37:56 AM »
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Rob, I feel for you.

Yes, Windows 8 sucks, but having said that we have it on our travel laptop and have managed to get it working for us. But, if I were you, I'd have W8 replaced with W7 and start again. I certainly wouldn't go with XP as it is outdated and will soon lose all support from Microsoft.

On a lighter note, have you considered buying a selection of vintage coke bottles? Plenty of interesting variations on eBay at very reasonable prices.




Keith, I have struck gold!

I tried another route for using the existing SanDisk device, and it WORKED!

Unlike the old XP system, where all I did was put in the CD once, and once only, and download to the machine forever, what I discovered with W8 ten minutes ago is that if I put in the reader, although nothing shows up on the monitor to show anything has happened, I can then do a roundabout route to copying the files from that to a folder, from which I can open them in Nikon Capture NX2!!!! It's all manual, of course, but if I remember how to do it again next time, I'm in business!

All I need fix now is the Calibration device! Is that being greedy? (You see how conscience strikes me immediately after any success?)

;-)

Rob C (flying on air!)

P.S. Vintage Cokes. That's a new idea!
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