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Rob C
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« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2013, 06:27:06 AM »
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Rob, we've probably been here before, but why do you have to pay?

We've recently bought a Lumix lens for Viv. Bricks 'n mortar outlets here in the UK listed it at £995 but we eventually bought it online for £695. Most of my photographic purchases are made online for the same reason.

Why pay more?


Well, Keith, since the closure of that wholesaler here, I've no choice anymore.

Basically, I don't like the feeling of having to trust in a dealer I've never met. Today, with the problem of little or no final inspection before stuff is put out of the factory, the cost and effort involved in posting anything heavy, expensive and faulty out of Spain and back and forth is a nightmare; I tried to insure something in the local post office once: couldn't be done without a trip to Palma (two hours in the car). Proving that there's something amiss would be pretty much impossible for me to do. In a nutshell, nothing replaces the confidence I used to have in my small, local expert camera shop, and the service was excellent, too.

Yes, I know some find this sentiment anathema, but I feel the modern electronic ways of selling are a heap of crap. I simply miss person-to-person relationships with business partners.

Rob C
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« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2013, 11:21:44 PM »
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Well, the increase is price between the 2 generations of the 80-400 seems less than the effect of currency and inflations in the meantime.

The US$ was deflated roughly 50% relative to the Yen between the release years of the 2 iterations of the 80-400, it shouldn't come as a surprise that an impact can be seen on the price of imported goods.
- you had 120 Yen for 1 US$ in 2001,
- you had 80 Yen for 1 US$ end of 2012.

So if you are a US citizen, you need to scream at your Federal Reserver and authorities for having decided to deflate the US$ to favor exports. It would seem that photographers were not part of the target.

That is of course without taken into account the inflation in the US that, by itself, was around 30% between 2000 and 2012.

All in all, the 80-400 at its current price of 2,700 US$ is in fact cheaper than the original lens was. In fact, Nikon should be thanked for not having adjusted the price of the old 80-400 for inflation all along. If you are mad at them, I cannot imagine how mad you are at your grocery store... because they do adjust for inflation on a yearly basis.

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Bernard
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« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2013, 09:22:15 AM »
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Also,
canon and nikon in the used market reflect original value as well as current-
Try and find a  used 500+mm lens for either
Then try and find 1 for less than 2K
The value of my 600 seems to be going UP
Funny, but if you had a car that you used steadily for 5-7 years,
could you sell it for the same $
no way
It's easy to appreciate a price structure when you are the beneficiary of it.
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« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2013, 10:00:35 AM »
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Also,
canon and nikon in the used market reflect original value as well as current-
Try and find a  used 500+mm lens for either
Then try and find 1 for less than 2K
The value of my 600 seems to be going UP
Funny, but if you had a car that you used steadily for 5-7 years,
could you sell it for the same $
no way
It's easy to appreciate a price structure when you are the beneficiary of it.




http://youtu.be/Gv61zBZacpo

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« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2013, 10:48:18 AM »
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Well, Keith, since the closure of that wholesaler here, I've no choice anymore.

Basically, I don't like the feeling of having to trust in a dealer I've never met. Today, with the problem of little or no final inspection before stuff is put out of the factory, the cost and effort involved in posting anything heavy, expensive and faulty out of Spain and back and forth is a nightmare; I tried to insure something in the local post office once: couldn't be done without a trip to Palma (two hours in the car). Proving that there's something amiss would be pretty much impossible for me to do. In a nutshell, nothing replaces the confidence I used to have in my small, local expert camera shop, and the service was excellent, too.

Yes, I know some find this sentiment anathema, but I feel the modern electronic ways of selling are a heap of crap. I simply miss person-to-person relationships with business partners.

Rob C

Seems to me that you DO have a choice. Spend the time, effort and money on travelling to the nearest (however far that is) bricks and mortar shop and get all benefits a real shop can offer. Or save money and go without the benefits.
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« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2013, 01:33:32 PM »
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a prime case of "what you see is what you get"

goddam Merle---
thanks Rob
Ain't ashamed to say that makes the smell of cold coors in a can come alive
thinking back to a time I mighta said I haight country music,
unless it's merle
or another hero of the coastal crowd
 a star round these parts whose country you only can discern if you're from here- one of my favorites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0-oR1h_ZJw
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« Reply #46 on: March 12, 2013, 02:00:28 PM »
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a prime case of "what you see is what you get"

goddam Merle---
thanks Rob
Ain't ashamed to say that makes the smell of cold coors in a can come alive
thinking back to a time I mighta said I haight country music,
unless it's merle
or another hero of the coastal crowd
 a star round these parts whose country you only can discern if you're from here- one of my favorites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0-oR1h_ZJw




Thanks Rocco - I didn't know about this guy: love the beat and blue country! Another for the favourites list.

Rob C
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« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2013, 04:29:14 AM »
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a prime case of "what you see is what you get"

goddam Merle---
thanks Rob
Ain't ashamed to say that makes the smell of cold coors in a can come alive
thinking back to a time I mighta said I haight country music,
unless it's merle

If you like merle then you will love this guy. He sounds like merle and George Jones rolled into one. I have been listening to C&W for over forty years and recently discovered him. He is simply the best and writes his own songs. Visit Amazon and download his stuff.

http://www.theconnextion.com/dalewatson/index.cfm    Smiley
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« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2013, 08:30:59 AM »
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hah! saw him with the wronglers
haven't been to shows in years now:Smiley Grin
probably saw 100+ artists a year for about 10 years running until the turn of the millenium
then 9-11 came and it just wasn't fun
mood changed
cops in the venues
hardcore debauchery became commonplace-
Country alt or"americana" had been co opted by labels and easy marketing-
Now if you want to see a fine act in a nice place you have to go to a day show...
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« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2013, 10:10:35 AM »
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If you like male voices, then is is where I think country does it best:

http://youtu.be/_yTtWX6fvIA

http://youtu.be/AFQ77DfQiU0

Rob C

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« Reply #50 on: March 13, 2013, 10:40:43 AM »
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Rob,
Or grievous angel and first cosmic cowboy Gram Parsons revving up w/Emmylou Harris on the 2nd link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1iisLkOPss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqf9p9MpZBU
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« Reply #51 on: March 13, 2013, 11:20:52 AM »
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Rob,
Or grievous angel and first cosmic cowboy Gram Parsons revving up w/Emmylou Harris on the 2nd link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1iisLkOPss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqf9p9MpZBU


Yeah, liked Parsons a lot:

http://youtu.be/VBsQJX9PapQ

http://youtu.be/RCqxq6xqoXI

Another memory of a good time in my life:

http://youtu.be/Hf0Dm-OaTNk

Rob C


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« Reply #52 on: March 13, 2013, 11:35:02 AM »
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Yeah, liked Parsons a lot:

http://youtu.be/VBsQJX9PapQ

http://youtu.be/RCqxq6xqoXI

Another memory of a good time in my life:

http://youtu.be/Hf0Dm-OaTNk

Rob C





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« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2013, 11:47:44 AM »
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Get a room, guys!  Grin
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« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2013, 03:16:05 PM »
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Get a room, guys!  Grin


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« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2013, 05:44:14 PM »
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Well, the increase is price between the 2 generations of the 80-400 seems less than the effect of currency and inflations in the meantime.


You're correct, I forgot about inflation.  Ha, the solution to that seems so simple. STOP PRINTING MONEY! Duh!

So I suppose the prices are not that bad for lenses at least.  But accessories are still far more expensive than they should be.
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