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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2013, 01:42:30 PM »
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I'm sure this is not going to be perfect, I'm sure it will need work arounds and will leave me scratching my head in bewilderment. All the same I just ordered one. My big worry is rolling shutter.
Here's a thing, by the time I have bought lenses for a super 16 I will not be a million miles away from the 4k using it with my Canon lenses.
I reckon my Retina and Thunderbolt can handle super 16 prores, I think to handle those 4k would require a lot of investment.
So Super 16 it is.
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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2013, 05:13:29 PM »
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For those who want to see some more stuff and discussions about Blackmagic and 4+8k see on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/cinema.camera?group_id=0
https://www.facebook.com/UltraHiDef?group_id=0

And then this : Develloped by NHK Japan Television - as a study of technical status.
8K HFR CAMERA NAB Show debut!
It has a 63mm 33million pixels single plate CMOS sensor developed by NHK Engineering System,Inc
with 7680×4320 of active resolution at 120fps (HFR) in a 12bit BitDepth with 60p images a second. And a PL lens mount.
1920×1080 resolution LCOS (Liquid Crystal on Silicon) EVF
http://cinescopophilia.com/astro-design-debuting-an-8k-camera-head-and-1080p-lcos-evf-at-nab/

The infrastructure is also develloped already
http://www.nab.org/documents/newsroom/pressRelease.asp?id=2847

It´s coming. FAST

Greetings from Germany
Stefan
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2013, 11:58:49 PM »
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The Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera (BMPCC) is going to kick some serious ass in the DSLR and CSC marketplace.
..I'll take two please...
Very Impressed!  Been on the fence re: Canon vs: M43 (GH2/3) for some time, I'm GILBMR (getting in line behind Michael) and ordering *one*. Wink
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2013, 03:28:30 AM »
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The only thing is that we might not get it
Before december.
The entire galaxy has ordered it.
Don't know how BM will be able to supply
The demand.
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2013, 10:48:37 AM »
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What are people going to be doing about wide FOV lenses?
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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2013, 10:57:18 AM »
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panny 7-14

various machine vision lenses
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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2013, 12:00:56 PM »
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Very límited fast wides.
My biggest concern is in the Resolve side dependance.
I know it's really good but I just don't like the
Implementation interface.
I wish it was more like a Nucoda.
I had great expectations on the Nuke Hiero,
But the 5000 euros cost just for Hiero froze
My buzz. The only alternative that I find atractive
Is the new Scratch. Not as specialized in cc than resolve,
But much more versatile.
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2013, 02:51:03 PM »
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What are people going to be doing about wide FOV lenses?
Maybe people with that need will step up to the still quite moderately priced US$4,000 BlackMagic Production Camera: http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicproductioncamera4k/

Also, what about using 16mm format C-mount lenses? These are already being used with adaptors on m4/3 cameras, but with some vignetting problems that this camera's smaller format should avoid.
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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2013, 03:06:01 PM »
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Also, what about using 16mm format C-mount lenses? These are already being used with adaptors on m4/3 cameras, but with some vignetting problems that this camera's smaller format should avoid.

That's where people will look for. But this market is unfortunatly speculative. Already, in the era of the GH2, because of its capacity of recording the center part of the sensor, many people were looking for those (many didn't vignette and are fast so they could get ultra-fast long focal ) and it boosted the C-mount vintage market to over-priced.
No need to say what could happen with this super16mm DNG. If you want to e-bay, it's right now. And the offer is quite limited. The good units are now rares and over expensive for what they are and there are a lot of garbage circulating.
I bet you anything that in a question of weeks, this vintage market will turn crazy because of the BMC.
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« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2013, 02:49:41 AM »
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Are there any pro quality and current production wide C mount lenses?
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« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2013, 11:15:11 AM »
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Step forward in affordable high quality gear for sure. Can't wait to see what this thing can do in the hands of a creative talent!
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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2013, 05:34:24 AM »
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High quality is each time more affordable.
It happens in softwares too.

All this video business is profundly changing
And the players won't be the same as today's.

The national teevee produces now old fashioned
Series the old way at milionaire costs that nobody
Watch anymore. People prefers wheeler dealer or the first
48 hours
. The mammouth time is gone and only
Survive because of governamental help that desperatly
Need them to control mass minds.

Those huge, highly trade-unioned and costly structures
are so big that very slow to follow the stream that moves at the speed
of light. They still have no rival in big events live coverage,
and quality documentaries but they catch less and less
interest among the viewers.

Things are moving also in the cine. More and more people are
tired of big Hollywood productions content and there is a growing demand
for quality independant filmaking production and distribuition.
The fact that independants will be able to produce motion viewable
in theaters at costs each time lower will IMO change the rule game
as well. Hollywood will still have no rivals in entertainments like Marvels,
but I do think that the concept of talents itself will be profundly
affected.


All those changes are profund and not reversible.

This BM (that represents where the stream goes inevitably)
will force the majors to rebuild their politics
If they want to compeat.
They won't be able anymore to protect on purpose their pro market
because the concept itself of what is "pro" and what it costs is
changing.
We will all benefit. Thank god to creative engineers and small
visionary companies.

Prince (the musician) understood all that many years ago.
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« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2013, 09:04:42 AM »
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Isn't a big problem for many people going to be lenses?  The sensor on the camera is 12.48 x 7.02mm, compared to Micro 4/3 at 17.3 x 13mm. Which means that wide-angle is going to be a real problem for me.  I'm sure it is technically great, but I can't see it replacing a GH2 or GH3 for the time being.  Perhaps though it heralds a new era.

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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2013, 11:02:12 AM »
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Isn't a big problem for many people going to be lenses?  The sensor on the camera is 12.48 x 7.02mm, compared to Micro 4/3 at 17.3 x 13mm. Which means that wide-angle is going to be a real problem for me.  I'm sure it is technically great, but I can't see it replacing a GH2 or GH3 for the time ] being.  Perhaps though it heralds a new era.
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Talking about the GH2, I have a good news.

Yesterday was digging into the hacks. The intra and GOP1
Are really pushing the bundaries further.
It's particularly noticiable in post. Image doesn't fall appart
So easily as it occurs with avchd. I've been testing one
That's called "cluster moon gop1" from driftwood. No crash on
Scandisk 30MB/s. There are several intra gop1, you should
Give them a try.(with intra no less than 100mb/s).
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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2013, 11:21:22 AM »
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Zeiss still offers its Ultra 16 lenses for Super 16mm format, going as wide as 90º with a 6mm lens:
http://lenses.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/carl-zeiss-camera-lenses/cine_lenses/ultra_lenses/ultra_16.html
These are in PL lens-mount: adaptors for m4/3 body-mount exist.

This about matches the FOV of 14mm in Super 35mm format (the sensor format of 12.48 x 7.02mm is very close to half the width of super 35mm cine-camera format), which is as wide as the Zeiss Master primes go, for example. For zooms, the Panasonic 7-14 goes wider (83º) than any super-35mm zoom I know of.

By the way, there are a lot of C-mount lenses for so-called 1 inch format, which is just slightly larger that super 16mm, but most seem to be for surveillance or machine vision, so maybe not of great quality, and not geared for cinematic focusing.
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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2013, 05:40:07 PM »
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As for all this 4-5K stuff, it's just marketing gone mad. Who cares? HD is fine for pretty well everything at the moment - I'd like to see better films being made, rather than sharper ones.

Agreed.

Just back from NAB and I must say that 4K looks pretty nice on a big screen, especially if the source material is digital. No projector weave, no noise no grain.  Pristine.

That said, I'd bet that, on the average cinema screen we've been watching the approximate equivalent of 2K imagery.


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« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2013, 10:06:23 AM »
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It's going to be the walkarround camera of Red users.


Ha!  Exactly.  I've pre-ordered one.  Now I just ahve to decide on glass.  A PL adapter makes sense for me, but am also looking at Voigtlanders f/0.95 Noktons and old Angenieux C Mount Zooms.

This is gonna be fun!
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« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2013, 11:17:38 AM »
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Fun ?

Watch out guys! With CB
Involved in the c-mount
Vintage market, prepare
Your wallets.

If there is One good unit
Left we will be lucky. At
Least will know WHO is
The cause.  Wink
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« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2013, 01:05:33 PM »
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What is the crop factor of super 16 with full frame (35mm) lenses.
Thanks
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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2013, 04:35:23 PM »
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about 3?

abelcine.com/fov

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