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« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2013, 06:00:22 AM »
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Nice idea about the dog, but I have a wife!
She is better looking, I don't need to walk here several times a day and pick up after her, she can cook, IF I ask nicely I'm sure she would wag her tail!

Now, do I really need a dog???
 Roll Eyes

PS:  We have a monster cat that would protest if he had to share the domain with another 4 legged critter.
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« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2013, 06:40:12 AM »
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Then eat your cat, in get the Dog...So yes you need the dog, the cat its just there to eat...
look when u give food to the cat, I bet, never look at you.

Bad, I idea to have monster cat, they just like to get fat, because they are just cat!

 Cry
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« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2013, 08:27:35 AM »
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A photographer friend of mine with MS had a Contax G and film.
He could move in slow mo, but on a bad day he was very much as they say "challenged".
He claimed to take photos of "things that didn't run away from him".
And produced stunning Cibachrome images printed by a specialist lab.

Also, frankly the only thing which means heavy or bulky is "pro gear" and "pro zooms". A 5D2 and a prime 50/1.8 weigh almost nothing. Plastic cameras and lenses can be surprisingly good when used with care. In particular the Canon consumer cameras are astonishingly good when fitted with primes. Stitching and super-resolution can be done by software.

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« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2013, 08:38:27 AM »
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You can get down to under 1 pound with any of the new mirror-less APS-C cameras with 24mp sensors.  You will be amaz==ed at the quality that is possible with these cameras.  All you give up in the end is 36mp (Nikon D800E) or 50mp (Hassey).  But you can still print big with only 24mp, and have great features that Hassey and Nikon are misssing-- such as a tilting screen for low-angle or high-angle shots, focus peaking for using Leica lenses, etc.  I personally use the Nex7 for this, but there are plenty of alternatives.
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« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2013, 01:19:52 AM »
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Since you use mainly the 28mm, you could simply limit yourself to the H4D and that lens and consider a well designed backpack for your wife. The H4D + 28mm weight about 2,5 Kg, not much more than a D800 and pro zoom.

Your problem is that there is no lens comparable to the 28mm for 24x36 SLRs if you want that level of IQ... You could get a Leica M and a 21mm f3.5, that would be half the weight (and half the resolution), but the handling is completely different.
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« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2013, 05:46:58 AM »
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Since you use mainly the 28mm, you could simply limit yourself to the H4D and that lens and consider a well designed backpack for your wife. The H4D + 28mm weight about 2,5 Kg, not much more than a D800 and pro zoom.

Your problem is that there is no lens comparable to the 28mm for 24x36 SLRs if you want that level of IQ... You could get a Leica M and a 21mm f3.5, that would be half the weight (and half the resolution), but the handling is completely different.

Good idea.  Before giving up completely on the Hassie, the H4D50 with the 28 is what I'm going to try first.  Maybe bring the 80 as it is very light.
I can tote the H4D with the 80 on it and wife can carry the 28 with tripod. 

For the fun of it, this week I'm going to rent from the source above a Nikon D800 with a wide angle and do some comparison test shot against the H4D.  Thus, next weekend we can drive up to Hillsboro, NC and do a walk around catching shots with both cameras, them come home and see if I can feel comfortable with the Nikon level of digital file compared to what I'm used to from the Hassie.

Will post an update on my thoughts after I'm done with my test.

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« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2013, 07:28:44 AM »
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Don't underestimate the effect of a well designed backpack for your wife. With a shoulder worn photo bag, 5 Kg of equipment is heavy to carry on. With a well designed backpack, one which distributes the weight on the hips, 10 Kg is something one barely feels.

The problem with backpacks is, normally, that one needs to take them off to access the equipment. But that would not be a problem if you wife carries the bag: you can just access the camera on her back.

This does not mean that you can load your wife with tons of equipment (she will have things of her own to fit in the bag), just that her ideal carry weight could fit the H4D and the 28mm lens.

Have a look at the bags in a store selling trekking stuff. Your ideal bag should have a compartment usable for the camera and one for your wife's stuff, a large, comfortable belt which is where all the weight go, and a flexible frame so that the bag is separated from the carrier back for ventilation. The shoulder straps do not carry much weight (the belt does) they are just there to keep the bag balanced. Plan to try a few bags until you find one which fits your wife body. It pays.
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« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2013, 11:56:35 AM »
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Good idea.  Before giving up completely on the Hassie, the H4D50 with the 28 is what I'm going to try first.  Maybe bring the 80 as it is very light.
I can tote the H4D with the 80 on it and wife can carry the 28 with tripod. 

For the fun of it, this week I'm going to rent from the source above a Nikon D800 with a wide angle and do some comparison test shot against the H4D.  Thus, next weekend we can drive up to Hillsboro, NC and do a walk around catching shots with both cameras, them come home and see if I can feel comfortable with the Nikon level of digital file compared to what I'm used to from the Hassie.

Will post an update on my thoughts after I'm done with my test.

Jack


I think you will be hard pushed to find a lens for the D800E that can match the H4d50+hcd28,I have both the Zeiss 15mm and the Nikkor 14-24 and neither can touch the Hcd28mm....plus the D800 with zoom is only half a kilo less the the blad with 28mm,the Zeiss combo is 750 grams less but manual focus only..
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« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2013, 12:47:56 PM »
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For some time now I've been looking for a system that would become an addition to my Hasselblad H Series but with reduced girth and heft. The obvious candidates were the Nikon D800/E and the Leica M.

My problem has been finding a lens for either system in the range 14mm to 21mm that matches the performance of the Hasselblad HCD 28/4. I've looked at so many files including those from the Zeiss 15/2.8, the Zeiss 18/3.5, the Zeiss 21/2.8, the Nikon 14-24/2.8, the Samyang 14/2.8, all for the Nikon, and the Leica 16-18-21/4, the Leica 18/3.8, the Leica 21/3.4, all for the Leica. Unfortunately I haven't found anything that comes close to the performance of the Hasselblad HCD lens and I'm now resigned to continuing exclusively with the Hasselblad until such time that Canon introduces a sensor that takes full advantage of the performance of the superb TS-E lenses.
    
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« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2013, 12:51:56 PM »
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The d800 has very good luminous detail - meaning if you convert to black and white -you'll probably be pleased.  When I compared the d800 to my digital back, the color tonality was the area it was weakest in. So subtle changes in color  (which I believe contributes to the perception of depth in an image) were not as well represented.  I've posted this before, the d800 is a great camera, but I think they have used a selection of color filters with the purpose to increase their high iso ability of the camera at the trade off of color definition between pixels and small regions.
Renting one as only you can determine how it will suit your requirements.

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« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2013, 01:38:00 PM »
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For some time now I've been looking for a system that would become an addition to my Hasselblad H Series but with reduced girth and heft. The obvious candidates were the Nikon D800/E and the Leica M.

My problem has been finding a lens for either system in the range 14mm to 21mm that matches the performance of the Hasselblad HCD 28/4. I've looked at so many files including those from the Zeiss 15/2.8, the Zeiss 18/3.5, the Zeiss 21/2.8, the Nikon 14-24/2.8, the Samyang 14/2.8, all for the Nikon, and the Leica 16-18-21/4, the Leica 18/3.8, the Leica 21/3.4, all for the Leica. Unfortunately I haven't found anything that comes close to the performance of the Hasselblad HCD lens and I'm now resigned to continuing exclusively with the Hasselblad until such time that Canon introduces a sensor that takes full advantage of the performance of the superb TS-E lenses.
    

I have the tse 17mm and tse 24mm mk2,they're both very good with excellent build quality but the HCD is still better and now Hassy has the HCD24mm which is equivalent to a 17mm... overall i prefer the EF mount to the F mount,it's 10mm wider and i think stronger.I am not sure if it's possibile to make a tse17mm for nikon
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« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2013, 01:50:21 PM »
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Indeed the HCD 28mm is an impressive lens and the one the O.P. uses 99% of the time. So there is little choice for him...
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« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2013, 02:19:46 PM »
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I would be much interested if someone has made a comparison using same raw converter and perhaps generating profiles using Color Checker Passport or something similar for different cameras. Not sure how much of the difference is depending on sensors, profiles or raw conversion.

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The d800 has very good luminous detail - meaning if you convert to black and white -you'll probably be pleased.  When I compared the d800 to my digital back, the color tonality was the area it was weakest in. So subtle changes in color  (which I believe contributes to the perception of depth in an image) were not as well represented.  I've posted this before, the d800 is a great camera, but I think they have used a selection of color filters with the purpose to increase their high iso ability of the camera at the trade off of color definition between pixels and small regions.
Renting one as only you can determine how it will suit your requirements.


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« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2013, 06:11:41 PM »
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I would be much interested if someone has made a comparison using same raw converter and perhaps generating profiles using Color Checker Passport or something similar for different cameras. Not sure how much of the difference is depending on sensors, profiles or raw conversion.

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Erik


Michael Hezra did just that a while ago:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=69391.0



Using the files from Alex Koloskov's side by side test:http://www.photigy.com/nikon-d800e-test-review-vs-hasselblad-h4d40-35mm-against-medium-format/

Target shots are here:

http://www.photigy.com/nikon-d800e-v-s-hasselblad-h4d40-the-end-of-medium-format-superiority-round-two/
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« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2013, 10:32:56 PM »
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Hi,

Thanks for the links. I did check out color reproduction using imatest, and the Nikon was a bit more accurate using standard LR 4 processing. Accurate is not the same as pleasant. I was not able to produce color profiles on the CC card, as it was a bit overexposed on both Nikon and Hassy.

The reason I suggesting this is that to begin with any one using a given camera and a given raw convertor is tuned to that camera. Building your own profiles may give some insight and perhaps illuminate the differences between the two cameras. Insight is always good.

Best regards
Erik
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« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2013, 08:32:21 AM »
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Looks cute no?

And your H4D50, a 28mm and a tripod fits in there !

I heard you about your cat and your wife, but I would not like anything to influence the photography I / you like.


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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2013, 10:21:21 AM »
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Hi,

Thanks for the links. I did check out color reproduction using imatest, and the Nikon was a bit more accurate using standard LR 4 processing. Accurate is not the same as pleasant. I was not able to produce color profiles on the CC card, as it was a bit overexposed on both Nikon and Hassy.

The reason I suggesting this is that to begin with any one using a given camera and a given raw convertor is tuned to that camera. Building your own profiles may give some insight and perhaps illuminate the differences between the two cameras. Insight is always good.

Best regards
Erik

The important thing here is that the OP isn't going to really miss anything IQ wise. Erganomics will be a bit different, imo better.
Leica or Nikon D800e and he'll be well on his way.

Add stitching and he'll be way above single frame capture with an MF
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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2013, 12:14:24 PM »
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The important thing here is that the OP isn't going to really miss anything IQ wise. Erganomics will be a bit different, imo better.
Leica or Nikon D800e and he'll be well on his way.

Add stitching and he'll be way above single frame capture with an MF

I have a D800E with a 14-24nikkor and a Zeiss 15mm.also a H4D50 with HCD28mm and I can tell you with 110%certainty that the HCD28 with h4D50 is far superior to either the Zeiss or Nikkor on the D800E...
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« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2013, 12:19:10 PM »
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Fully agree.

The 28mm is awesome. As well as the new 50mm II and the 100mm F2.
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« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2013, 12:22:47 PM »
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Fully agree.

The 28mm is awesome. As well as the new 50mm II and the 100mm F2.


The HC 50mk2 is my next lens,and I will probably sell the Nikkor 14-24 and Zeiss 15mm to pay for it,Jerome on Getdpi posted a shot with it last week,and it's clearly a gem,superb contrast and sharp all over the frame... add in Leaf shutters and it's a must have for me..  Smiley
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