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David S
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« on: May 07, 2013, 09:02:22 AM »
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Curious to see what folk think of the shift from owning to renting of Photoshop.

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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2013, 09:50:21 AM »
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Will it affect LR? I only use Elements.

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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2013, 10:11:47 AM »
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Will it affect LR? I only use Elements.
They say not.  See http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/lightroom-and-the-creative-cloud.html

However, I don't read that as any promise that LR will remain available as a separate perpetual-licence product for longer than the immediate future (e.g. LR5). 

I'm rather losing confidence in Adobe, and am getting a bit twitchy about lock-in to the Lightroom catalogue.  I'm beginning to look around for solutions based entirely on open file formats (including any catalogues, metadata etc). 
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2013, 11:16:26 AM »
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Hello,

do I understand it right - you pay a small amount of money per month and for this fee you have the right to use the latest version of PS ( or whatever product of Adobe's portfolio).

Some day, when you stop paying, your products refuse to work anymore, so there is no way to use your precious PSDs or layered TIF anymore ?

In opposite to this procedure - when you buy PS 'by the old way', you own the right to use this product for eternity, so you always have the chance to read and use your files.

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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 11:20:21 AM »
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In opposite to this procedure - when you buy PS 'by the old way', you own the right to use this product for eternity, so you always have the chance to read and use your files.

Robert

In theory. But older versions will stop working eventually as you upgrade operating systems.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 12:29:11 PM »
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Hello,

do I understand it right - you pay a small amount of money per month and for this fee you have the right to use the latest version of PS ( or whatever product of Adobe's portfolio).

Some day, when you stop paying, your products refuse to work anymore, so there is no way to use your precious PSDs or layered TIF anymore ?

In opposite to this procedure - when you buy PS 'by the old way', you own the right to use this product for eternity, so you always have the chance to read and use your files.

Robert

Completely misplaced - please, skip it !

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 06:02:37 PM »
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They say not.  See http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/lightroom-and-the-creative-cloud.html

However, I don't read that as any promise that LR will remain available as a separate perpetual-licence product for longer than the immediate future (e.g. LR5). 

I'm rather losing confidence in Adobe, and am getting a bit twitchy about lock-in to the Lightroom catalogue.  I'm beginning to look around for solutions based entirely on open file formats (including any catalogues, metadata etc). 

Thanks! I'm still using LR3. But I would like to get LR5 for the color brush. I'm pretty basic with my PP.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2013, 03:01:17 AM »
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They say not.  See http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/lightroom-and-the-creative-cloud.html

However, I don't read that as any promise that LR will remain available as a separate perpetual-licence product for longer than the immediate future (e.g. LR5). 

I'm rather losing confidence in Adobe, and am getting a bit twitchy about lock-in to the Lightroom catalogue.  I'm beginning to look around for solutions based entirely on open file formats (including any catalogues, metadata etc). 
There is no such thing as "not locked in", there are no universally adopted and adhered to open file formats, even if they are, there is no open and andhered to standard for color management, and so n, and so on. The database of LR is SQlLite, pretty open, here are no obscure blobs in it, it is pretty easily reverse engineered. But a contrast value of -2 means nothing outside of LR or ACR.
Same goes for whatever you do to alter the contrast in any other parametric image development solution.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2013, 05:38:11 AM »
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Although with a DNG workflow you get updated embedded previews, so you can output images that look exactly as in Lightroom
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2013, 07:01:08 AM »
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I hadn't planned on commenting in my own post but last night Adobe Application Manager suddenly stopped working on my Mac. Found out when trying to install update to ARC and then showed up when I opened Photoshop and I get a message that my copy cannot be confirmed since "Manager" is missing or not working.
Spent two hours with Adobe Help and that was less than useful as they kept telling me to do what I had already tried. Finally I replaced the Manager folder (MAC) from a much older backup file and it is now working.
Suppose one was away from home base and Internet time was costly. Two hours for nothing and the solution maybe kilometers (or miles) away at home base.

Not reassured.

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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2013, 08:34:21 AM »
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There is no such thing as "not locked in"
it is actually if you think that most users are not very technically savvy... they are captive by the mere thought about the amount of work they contributed in LR, regardless of how technically available is the information in its database... so if you want to have a captive user base, create an application that includes as much workflow as possible inside, discourage going outside, disable any ability to use that as a standalone application, provoke users to input as much information as possible in your internal database (even if it is a non proprietary format, not content) and that's it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 08:48:38 AM »
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Time to start using GIMP
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2013, 08:52:49 AM »
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If you are a cynical type and read between the lines, you might think that the standalone version gets treated as the poor relation. You might think that the Cloud version gets all the new bells and whistles and raw compatibility updates. You could think Adobe will do everything it can to get you on the subscription version, hook or by crook. So out of necessary needs you buy into the Cloud.
You might think one day when you no longer wish to subscribe to the Cloud for LR that all those hours you invested into constructing a library are now wasted. You might find all your images back to square one a pile of raw files sitting on hard drives in no particular order that years down the line make not a lot of sense.
If you are a cynical type you might think that.
But hey you can trust them can't you, what have you got to lose?
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2013, 10:56:27 AM »
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I have been a photoshop owner/user since version 1.0 and every version since .... if Adobe does this, its easy ... I just updated to Capture One 7 ... Photoshop RIP (and all the CS associated programs).  If Phase One is as smart as I think they are .... they'll develop a conversion program to as seamlessly as possible move Adobe files to Capture One and offer a special upgrade program for "former" photoshop users.  Thank goodness for capitalism and free enterprise.  Don't blame Adobe ... it's in the Bay area water supply .... big brother wants to own and control everything in our lives.  If I was Apple, I'd be concerned ... with them being so slow upgrading our Mac Pro, Adobe has given me another reason to stop upgrading to Apple's buggy new OS versions and just optimize my current machines and avoid all the malfunctioning printer drivers, etc.  And the money I save can buy new camera gear!  Now that I got all that off my chest I think I'll go short some Adobe stock. Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2013, 07:33:33 AM »
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I have been a photoshop owner/user since version 1.0 and every version since .... if Adobe does this, its easy ... I just updated to Capture One 7 ...

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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2013, 07:34:15 AM »
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Adobe is not the only software maker going to cloud only Microsoft is moving the next release of MS Office to cloud only. Microsoft is a lot less user friendly with office than Adobe because as soon as you load any new MS Office utility it auto disables any "old" office sub program or utility. It looks like it's going to be a cloud based world in the future.
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2013, 08:19:23 AM »
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This is an interesting prognostication from a financial 'analyst'.
Not sure about the veracity but the fellow writes a good headline:

Adobe Jumps Off A Cliff - Leaves Parachute Behind

An excerpt:
"The new pricing model does not appear (yet) to cover low-end consumer products such as Photoshop Elements. My guess (just a guess) is that if the professionals cooperate with the subscription model, Adobe will attempt to shift consumers to the subscription model within 3 years.

One thing going for Adobe is that most of its rivals among professional software companies have pulled back or (as with Aldus and Altsys) been bought up. Open source alternatives are not viable competitors to the Creative Suite apps. However, Adobe faces challenges in the low-end consumer market from App Store apps that sell for $30 or less as new customers seek convenient, affordable alternatives."

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