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« on: May 14, 2013, 09:11:52 PM »
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Is there a Sachtler fluid head + tripod below $1800? Is it realistic?
I would like to use it for wedding cinematography. The weight load would not exceed 10LB.
Thanks so much!
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2013, 10:15:31 PM »
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/767464-REG/Sachtler_0477_Telescopic_Tripod_TT_75_2.html

There are Chinese manufactures moving in to this market.  I don't recall the names, but I saw several in Vegas.  Seemed like very high quality product from my cursory examination.
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2013, 11:29:18 PM »
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The last fluid head I used was $200 used Miller with a few minor leaks but nevertheless it worked like a champ.  None of the balancing tricks the Sachtlers have, but for lightweight cameras those really don't matter that much.

In many ways the sticks are a more important choice than the head.

The "still photography" style sticks with single legs attaching at the top around a small radius have a tendency to windup during pans, and require to you very carefully let the windup dissipate at the end of a pan if you want to use footage in that transition.  You are kind of forced to use absolutely minimal drag on the pan.  Or to use the old rubber band trick.

Here's an example of sticks designed to resist that tendency.  Even this one is a little on the meager side, but I suspect it would windup a lot less.  The mid-height spreaders are extra work but give you a lot more stability especially if there's any wind.  And the leg height adjustment paradigm is very quick.  ENG crews use those kinds of sticks.  Have been been thinking about getting one of those for panos.

Those are expensive items.  Might be worth a trip to Hollywood or New York or Chicago to check 'em out in person.  Take your camera and your longest lens.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/413496-REG/Sachtler_4188_4188_DA_75_2D_2_Stage.html
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2013, 12:58:40 PM »
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Yes, I was looking at the 75D2 legs as well.
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2013, 01:13:00 PM »
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I used to have Manfrotto legs and head (703?), which combined cost around 700. Legs are fine (same style ENG teams use), but the head was not fluid enough for controlled pan starts and stops. After trying out several heads the cheapest one which was able to do smooth pans in practice was a Sachtler costing 1800 with basic tripod. In the end I mated this head to the Manfrotto legs, and the Manfrotto head with Sachtler sticks (light but flimsy), to be used for B-cam. This Sachtler head/Manfrotto tripod -bastard works fine. Camera is Canon XF305.

Electronics are getting smaller and cheaper and better, but mechanical things are as expansive as before, and good video heads are surprisingly expensive compared to photography heads.
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2013, 08:31:55 AM »
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I used to have Manfrotto legs and head (703?), which combined cost around 700. Legs are fine (same style ENG teams use), but the head was not fluid enough for controlled pan starts and stops. After trying out several heads the cheapest one which was able to do smooth pans in practice was a Sachtler costing 1800 with basic tripod. In the end I mated this head to the Manfrotto legs, and the Manfrotto head with Sachtler sticks (light but flimsy), to be used for B-cam. This Sachtler head/Manfrotto tripod -bastard works fine. Camera is Canon XF305.

Electronics are getting smaller and cheaper and better, but mechanical things are as expansive as before, and good video heads are surprisingly expensive compared to photography heads.

May I ask which Sachtler did you buy?

Thanks!
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2013, 02:39:37 AM »
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There are Chinese manufactures moving in to this market.  I don't recall the names, but I saw several in Vegas.  Seemed like very high quality product from my cursory examination.

Perhaps you're referring to the Benro S8 ?
http://provideocoalition.com/createasphere/story/benro-showcases-some-brand-new-products-at-nab-2013
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2013, 02:42:27 AM »
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....The "still photography" style sticks with single legs attaching at the top around a small radius have a tendency to windup during pans, and require to you very carefully let the windup dissipate at the end of a pan if you want to use footage in that transition.  You are kind of forced to use absolutely minimal drag on the pan.  Or to use the old rubber band trick.

I don't understand what windup is, would you explain, please?
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2013, 03:41:13 AM »
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May I ask which Sachtler did you buy?

Thanks!

The head is FSB 6. For cameras up to 6 kg.

http://www.sachtler.com/en/products/camera-support/fluid-heads/product_fluid-heads-75-mm_fsb-6.html

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2013, 10:26:45 PM »
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Thanks so much!!!
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