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« on: May 24, 2013, 05:29:29 PM »
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I just got a D800e yesterday together with a 200 mm micro-nikkor.
I het some fantastic sharp pics outdoor on freehand when I keep the
shuttertime high.

Now I tried to do the same on a good tripod with longer shuttertimes.
About one secund with 10 secunds delay to be sure not to shake the camera.
The results was good, but with unsharpness from movements.

I wanted to lock up the mirror and do 10 sec delay at the same time,
but as it seems this is not possible at the same time with this camera?

Have any of you tried long exposures with this camera?
Do you get maximum sharpness?

Henrik
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2013, 06:17:46 PM »
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I don't do really long exposures, but if I want to minimize camera shake I use the mirror pre-release and a wireless shutter release.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 06:28:25 PM »
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Ok, I will get a wireless shutter release.
Do you feel that this camera is more easily "shaked" than earlier models?

And what is the best apperture for these tiny pixels? f. 5.6?
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 06:34:13 PM »
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Ok, I will get a wireless shutter release.
Do you feel that this camera is more easily "shaked" than earlier models?

And what is the best apperture for these tiny pixels? f. 5.6?

Congrats on the D800, you've just gotten an amazing piece of kit!

You will clearly see more easily a given amount of blur, but I have not noticed a trend to generate a larger amount of blur in absolute terms.

Mirror up is recommended on tripod.

As far as optimal aperture goes, usually somewhere between f4 and f6.3 depending on the lens.

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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 06:42:03 PM »
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Thank you Bernard!

I am really amazed to see how good this camera is. I have mostly used MF the last years,
but I am not sure I will use it much after getting the D800. I would say you have to look
extremely close to see the difference between this Nikon and my Aptus 12.
And it is so much lighter, faster and better to work with.😊😊😊.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 06:46:08 PM »
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The only thing i did not like about the camera is that i had to readjust the autofocus for about all my lenses to -15...
So check if the camera autofocus is spot on.. If it is it workes even good wide open with the 1,4 24mm nikkor..
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 06:50:18 PM »
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I regularly shoot the e from 1 min to 3 with night photography.  No problems with blur.  I use the  MC-36 with the camera.  Never use mirror lock.  This is working with a interval timer for periods of up to 1 to 2 hours. Great results.   Mainly wide angle 14mm to 24mm all on tripod.   Telephoto so far up to 800mm very good results on DX and FX mode.  

Congrats on the new camera it's great.

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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2013, 06:52:41 PM »
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The only thing i did not like about the camera is that i had to readjust the autofocus for about all my lenses to -15...
So check if the camera autofocus is spot on.. If it is it workes even good wide open with the 1,4 24mm nikkor..


Thank you, I will have a look!
Is it hard to adjust?

Henrik
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2013, 06:56:30 PM »
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I regularly shoot the e from 1 min to 3 with night photography.  No problems with blur.  I use the  MC-36 with the camera.  Never use mirror lock.  This is working with a interval timer for periods of up to 1 to 2 hours. Great results.   Mainly wide angle 14mm to 24mm all on tripod.   Telephoto so far up to 800mm very good results on DX and FX mode.  

Congrats on the new camera it's great.

Paul




Ok. This test I did today was a tiny little figure with a 200mm macro.
I am not sure I would have seen any shake with a "normal" object.

Do you use a very heavy tripod?
And I am sorry to ask, but what is an MC-36?
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2013, 07:02:03 PM »
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Thank you, I will have a look!
Is it hard to adjust?
Henrik

No but for one - Nikon should have done it right in the first place and.. it takes time - you have to do it right or not do it...
So I printed a test object .. one shot liveview and three autofocus shots - at different adjustments till i got it right.. time consuming - but rewarding..
so maybe it was just a basic error nikon has done right later on... my camera was in the first batch of releases
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2013, 08:28:35 PM »
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The MC-36 is one of the wired remotes made by Nikon.  It has a built in intervoltmeter which allows you to shoot in longer intervals than 30 seconds.  The D800's have a built in version but are limited to the 30" shutter speed as the longest a single interval can be.  The MC-36 allows for a unlimited time limit for each interval.  You can also use the MC-36 for a standard remote release.  Another solution might be the remote commander setup. 

One nice feature of the Canon 6D is the built in wi-fi, which allows the user to control the camera from a iPhone or similar device with the free Canon software.  Nikon did not put wi-fi in the d800, but there is a module that can be added as I understand it.

My only wish for both Nikon and Canon is that they would make these remotes with a coiled cord instead of the straight one. 

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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2013, 09:09:06 PM »
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I've done quite a few long exposures with my D800. Best bet is to set mirror-up and use either wireless release or simply one of the 10-pin cables.

With 36MP captures, it's very critical you practice even better craft then lower res cameras since you've got more pixels and tighter photosites that tend to show any little problems of focus and shake more so than shooting with lower MP cameras.

Make sure you also have a good tripod and excellent head and all the levers and collars are properly tight since that's another factor that can contribute to overall sharpness.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2013, 01:20:18 PM »
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I would look at your tripod--for long exposures, mirror and shutter vibration is insignificant. It sounds like a support problem. It could also be because you are moving--if you are on a floor or soft ground, your motion will move the tripod.

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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2013, 02:49:56 PM »
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I would look at your tripod--for long exposures, mirror and shutter vibration is insignificant. It sounds like a support problem. It could also be because you are moving--if you are on a floor or soft ground, your motion will move the tripod.





Thank you. I have now moved the tripod plate forward to the lenses baseplate instead of
attaching it to to camera. It seems to be more stable. The shots are sharper😊😊😊

Thanks everybody!

By the way: do any of you know a good system that can fasten both the lens and the camera
in some way?
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2013, 03:18:13 PM »
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You might check out really right stuff.  They have an adapter for telephoto lenses to help with stabilization that might work.

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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2013, 06:22:43 PM »
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You might check out really right stuff.  They have an adapter for telephoto lenses to help with stabilization that might work.

I have had good results with this one:

http://reallyrightstuff.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=CB-YS-QR-Pkg&type=3&eq=CB-YS-QR-Pkg-001&desc=Lens-Support-Pkg%2c-dual-Quick-Release&key=ait

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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2013, 08:07:31 PM »
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I have had a D800E for about a year and just love it. I use it on a Gitzo Series 3 tripod with an Arca B1 head and a RRS L plate. I use my 70-200 as well as shorter lenses. I often use dark ND filters and relatively long exposures. I always use mirror lock up, an electronic cable release and take my time. The detail I can resolve with this camera is simply astounding.
As others, I suspect the OP's problem is either simple technique or the tripod.
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2013, 04:48:01 AM »
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Henrik, you can combine ML and delay if you use liveview.  Liveview locks up the mirror and when you press the shutter the picture is taken after the delay without the mirror closing and re-opening.

.....

I wanted to lock up the mirror and do 10 sec delay at the same time,
but as it seems this is not possible at the same time with this camera?

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Henrik

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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2013, 05:38:51 AM »
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Thank you for that! Just what I needed😊
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2013, 08:04:01 AM »
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I have had not problems with sharpness, hand held or tripod mounted. I do turn off the VR when on a tripod.
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