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« on: July 03, 2013, 01:26:45 AM »
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Hi all,
I'm new to MFD.  I'm reading some conflicting information online...imagine that. Smiley

A mamiya site states once the RZ67 ProII is fitted for a digital back, you can no longer load film cartridges.  Please say it ain't so.  I want to switch between film and a Leaf Aptus II 7.

If untrue, do I need a HX701 kit?

Thanks on advance for any replies.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2013, 01:41:44 AM »
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Hello,

As a long time user of a Mamiya RZ ProII camera you can move between using a film back and a digital back. All you have to do is remove the digital mounting plate from the Mamiya body so your old film back can still attach.

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Simon
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2013, 01:43:58 AM »
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Thanks Simon.  Is the HX-701 the correct adapter for the II 7 back?
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2013, 02:54:29 AM »
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Hi James,

The Mamiya Digital Back Adapter (HA701) adaptor is good if you want total intergeation with the Mamiya RZ ProII camera.

The draw back I found with it with my old Leaf Aptus 75 back was when the camera wasn't been used it would drain the camera battery in a matter of days. Also when connected to my Imac and using Leaf Capture software I had to set the camera to Mamiya 645ADF for it to connect which meant I could not use the live view.

The adaptor plate I preferred was the Leaf Mamiya plate which wasn't live with the Mamiya camera which used a cable between the lens and the back.

Using this system with the Leaf Capture software was solid as a rock and very user friendly.

I just wish that my Nikon would work with the Leaf software as the Phase One software is abysmal.

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Simon 
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2013, 07:38:09 AM »
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If you're going to be using the non-D version of the RZ67 II, you will need to slightly modify the HX701 plate to get it to work since there's a small pin sensor that prevents the back from firing. If you're using the Pro IID version then you're fine. There's another adapter plate that's designed to work with the non-D camera, but I forget the model number. I think they are less common and harder to find if you're buying used.

A quick search for HX701 on this forum should find some other posts about which adapter plate to use and how to do the modification. I did it on mine and have posted pics previously.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2013, 09:29:54 AM »
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Thanks everyone for the great info.  Much appreciated!
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2013, 09:33:36 AM »
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James
You will want to use the 518-02210A Adapter from Mamiya for use on your Pro II.
You will not need to modify it at all and can switch between your digital back and film.

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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2013, 09:37:48 AM »
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James,

Assuming that your body is a non-D one you need to tell us what the mount of your Aptus-II 7 is.

If it's Mamiya then you can use a Mamiya HX705 plate or a Leaf plate

If it's in H mount, V mount or AFi mount you can use a Leaf plate. Either way your Mamiya Leaf dealer should be able to order the right plate for you

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2013, 02:36:17 PM »
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The adapter for the Pro II D (XHX701) will actually work (with no modification) with an RZ Pro/Pro II with any Mamiya mount Leaf Aptus/Aptus-II/Credo digital back and any Phase One digital back P40+/65+ and newer (including IQ/IQ2). For Leaf Aptus/Aptus-II, you'd also need a $20 mini to sync cable, for Credo and Phase One, you'd need an 8 pin to sync cable ($58).

Now - the confusing part -

The standard RZ Adapter for Pro/Pro II is only available in the USA as a kit that includes an etched replacement ground glass, a motor drive cable that allows triggering from the keyboard, and the $20 mini to sync cable. This is part # 518-02210A (as Lance mentioned) for Mamiya 645 mount (also available in Hasselblad H and V mount). The cost for this kit is $1,430.

Previously, the stand alone RZ Pro II D Adapter could be purchased with no kit for $969 (roughly). This was part # 212-107. As stated above, on RZ Pro/Pro II, we have no problems making this work, with no modification.

However, in the current pricing from MAC, that part number no longer appears, instead there are Pro II D Interface Kits listed only for Credo, which list for the same price as the Pro/Pro II Kit ($1,430). However, to my knowledge, you cannot shoot from the keyboard with the Pro II D (ironically) and an Aptus/Aptus-II. We're not sure if that changes with Credo (we don't have a motor drive cable handy to try it, but we'll find out).

Assuming that is true, it doesn't make sense that the Pro II D Kit would cost the same as the Pro/Pro II Kit, since there shouldn't be a need for a motor cable, which costs in excess of $180.

So - today, if I have a Leaf Aptus or Credo digital back, and I don't need a replacement ground glass, or motor drive cable, I'm after a Pro II D Adapter, which is still in stock, part # 212-107.

That is, if you're not having luck finding one second hand, obviously.

We'll continue investigating the situation with the Pro II D Adapter kits, and what is actually contained (whether keyboard triggering works or not on Credo).

FYI - if anyone has an RB or RX Pro/Pro II, and purchases a new Leaf digital back for that platform, CI will accept your RB/RZ body and swap it for a free Pro II D Adapter, with purchase of a Pro II D camera.


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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2013, 11:00:02 AM »
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The adapter for the Pro II D (XHX701) will actually work (with no modification) with an RZ Pro/Pro II with any Mamiya mount Leaf Aptus/Aptus-II/Credo digital back and any Phase One digital back P40+/65+ and newer (including IQ/IQ2).


Previously, the stand alone RZ Pro II D Adapter could be purchased with no kit for $969 (roughly). This was part # 212-107. As stated above, on RZ Pro/Pro II, we have no problems making this work, with no modification.


I had the HX701 plate and a RZ67 Pro II (non-D) body, used with an Aptus 22. The RZ67 body would not fire with the plate attached, since the flat part of the plate triggered the small, ball shaped, darkslide sensor on the RZ67 Pro II body and prevented it from firing. It took a tiny dremmel tool indentation on the plate to allow the dark slide sensor to clear and the body to fire with the plate attached.

Not sure how you're getting the body to fire without altering the HX701 plate, since it wouldn't work for me and I know others have had to make this same alteration.

Modification looks like this, tiny indentation made where the red arrows are. Took only about 5 minutes. I'd have preferred to buy something that worked without alteration, but the HX701 plate is the only one that shows up second hand on a semi-regular basis and buying new is a lot more expensive.

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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2013, 11:18:39 AM »
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I had the HX701 plate and a RZ67 Pro II (non-D) body, used with an Aptus 22. The RZ67 body would not fire with the plate attached, since the flat part of the plate triggered the small, ball shaped, darkslide sensor on the RZ67 Pro II body and prevented it from firing. It took a tiny dremmel tool indentation on the plate to allow the dark slide sensor to clear and the body to fire with the plate attached.

Not sure how you're getting the body to fire without altering the HX701 plate, since it wouldn't work for me and I know others have had to make this same alteration.

Modification looks like this, tiny indentation made where the red arrows are. Took only about 5 minutes. I'd have preferred to buy something that worked without alteration, but the HX701 plate is the only one that shows up second hand on a semi-regular basis and buying new is a lot more expensive.





Hi Sheldon -

 I don't know. All I know is I've used it multiple times with multiple digital backs - and just to make sure my memory was not failing me, confirmed it before the post with a Phase One IQ260 - worked perfectly. Our non-D RZ cameras are Pro II, I believe. Don't know if that matters.



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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2013, 02:33:07 PM »
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I just got a RZ67 Pro II body which I would like to use with my Mamiya mount Leaf Aptus II 7 and a IQ260,
Is it correct that all I need is the Mamiya HX705 adapter and a lens to back sync cable?
If so is the sync cables the same as I would use when using the backs on a tech cam?

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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2013, 12:37:34 PM »
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Ok, I have bought a HX-705 adapter. Now I just need to sit patiently while it ships from Japan to Denmark.

In the mean time I'm wondering if the HX-705 also can be used on a RZ67 Pro II D?
Of course you would still need the lens to back sync cable.

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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2013, 02:52:00 PM »
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Hi Peter,

As the HX-705 was designed for the Mamiya RZ ProIID it will work without the need of a sync cable between the lens and the back. In realty the RZ becomes an oversized Mamiya 645.

One thing I did notice was with the HX-705 was that if you don’t either remove the HX-705 or manually turn off the camera it would drain the battery flat out of the RZ in about 24 hours.

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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2013, 03:35:48 PM »
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Just to correct the above. The HX-705 is a mechanical plate that works on all RZ models with a sync cable.

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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2013, 05:18:50 AM »
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Simon, I think you are talking about the HX-701, not the HX-705.

Yair, thanks for the clarification..
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2013, 09:40:17 PM »
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So when do you use the digital back and when film?
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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2013, 02:39:59 AM »
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I actually only use digital back. The HX-705 adapter is just somewhat cheaper and if I at one point get a Pro II D it's reassuring to know that I can I still use that adapter. I don't mind using a sync cable, I'm used to that from my tech cam.

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