You were highlighting democracy so I thought I'd throw in some of the better examples of what's happening to democracy in the USA..
You have no idea what's happening in the U.S., as your continued display of ignorance demonstrates.
Probably similar to what the US Government will do to Snowden if he returns to the USA...
I have little doubt that Snowden will eventually be called to account for his crime. Some would have him charged with treason, which carries the death penalty. I don't happen to think he did what he did in concert with a foreign enemy. So perhaps 20 years behind bars would be sufficient. No matter what, we'll get him. It's only a matter of time.
Hey, you were the one that wanted to talk about democracy and free speech...
No in fact you were the one who brought those up.
If he also swore an oath to protect the constitution against all foes, both domestic and foreign, which do you suppose wins?
The one for secrecy or the one to protect the constitution?
In your country I suppose you get to pick which of the oaths you've made should be taken seriously.
Don't you think that is ironic that a whistleblower is afraid of justice in the country that makes out to be the foremost bastion of democracy, justice, freedom of speech, etc?
Irony has nothing to do with it. He's already admitted committing a felony. He ran away because he's far too much of a coward to accept the consequences of his own actions.
And since when is your phone bill privileged information? Or perhaps it is in your country, where ever that is.
Thank you for your kind words.
If the shoe fits...
Well without any solid evidence to evaluate your claims with, what you're saying is worthless. If you want to continue to make accusations and throw out opinions, fine, but they're really not very interesting unless they're substantiated with external evidence being presented alongside. Please feel free to repeat the above when you've got some sources that you can cite.
I'm not the one who's required to provide evidence since I'm not the one making accusations about my government. But you continue to accuse with nothing to back it up.
Thank you for your kind words.
The shoe still fits.
You're the one complaining that Snowden has compromised PRISM and thus the ability of the USA to find potential terrorists. So I'm putting it to you, how do you prove that PRISM is the vital link in the chain and not something else?
Unlike you, I'm not willing to forgive putting American lives in danger because some spineless creep has blown the cover on a secret NSA program. It was important enough for Congress to authorize it. It was important enough for the NSA to require Snowden to sign an oath to protect its secrecy.
I think Putin said it best:
"If he (Snowden) wants to go somewhere and there are those who would take him, he is welcome to do that," Putin said. "If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: he must stop his activities aimed at inflicting damage to our American partners, no matter how strange it may sound on my lips."
If even an autocrat like Putin thinks that Snowden is out to hurt America I think it's safe to say that hurting America is Snowden's real mission.
Well to be honest, I suspect that nearly everyone here is ignorant when it comes to PRISM as we're not allowed to know what it is in detail (thanks NSA.) So if you do then obviously you're on the inside (which would explain a lot actually) and thus part of the problem.
There is none so blind as he who will not see the truth (that means you). Your premise from the beginning has been: if it's the NSA it must be evil. If it's the American government it must be evil. Your prejudices and paranoia have already tried and convicted my country in absentia.
It is interesting the way in which you've tried to go all out and attack me rather than attack the topic. Usually this is taken as another indicator of the writer being someone that is out to distract attention away from the subject at hand and the only people that want to do that work for the government. People like that pop up in forums all over the Internet.
You're talking about yourself. You're the one who's tried to insert irrelevant subjects in an attempt to distract from the fact that your critique of Prism is spurious. You bring up the Florida vote count in 2000. You bring up voter ID laws. You cite articles as evidence that contain no evidence. You're all over the place.
Attacking me and/or other posters with personal insults, etc, does not contribute to the discussion in any meaningful way. I would suggest that if you want to have a meaningful debate then keep it to things like journalists being murdered, people going to prison for speaking their mind, people being outcast from their countries, etc. That makes for a vastly more interesting discussion than having to read through "you're a !@*$!".
That's rich coming from you--the one who offers no proof of anything. The one who sanctimoniously suggests that anyone who disagrees with you ought to go live in China. The one who would allow terrorists to attack my country just so you can keep the information contained in your phone bill secret. Yes, perhaps I do get a little hot under the collar when confronted by someone with as little regard for human life as yourself, but there it is.