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felix5616
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« on: September 03, 2013, 06:33:46 PM »
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Are there any HP Z3200 users that can tell me how to create profiles when using sheet media.
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2013, 07:48:15 PM »
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Not sure it's in here but try skimming this and see:

http://h10088.www1.hp.com/gap/Data/Working_with_Other_Commercially-Available_Papers_on_your_HP_Designjet_Z3200_Photo_Printer_Series.pdf

Here is an important document - read all through this carefully (color calibration section):

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&objectID=c01563257&jumpid=reg_r1002_usen_c-001_title_r0001

Here's another that might be of help:

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&objectID=c01562782&jumpid=reg_r1002_usen_c-001_title_r0002

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2013, 08:01:22 PM »
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A profiling chart is printed, which contains patches of each ink used in your printer. Unlike a calibration chart, most of the patches contain combinations of more than one ink.
The printer chooses automatically between two profile charts:

    An A3 or B format for cut sheets

The chart is allowed to dry for a period of time that depends on the paper type, so that the colors have time to stabilize.
   NOTE:    If you would like to use a longer drying time, you can ask the HP Color Center to create the chart without going on to create a profile (Windows: Print target only ; Mac OS: Print ICC profiling chart ). Then, later, when the chart is completely dry, you can restart the HP Color Center and ask it to create a profile using the chart you have already created (Windows: Create ICC profile from a target that has already been printed ; Mac OS: Scan ICC profiling chart and create ICC profile ). In this case the spectrophotometer takes a while to warm up before it is ready to scan.


Color measurement
You can also create a color profile by using a third-party profiling program and the Color Measurement facility. To begin Color Measurement:

    Using the HP Printer Utility for Windows, select Color Center > Paper Preset Management > Color Measurement .
    Using the HP Printer Utility for Mac OS, select HP Color Center > Paper Preset Management . Select the paper type, then press the button and select Color Measurement from the popup menu.

Continue with the following steps.

    Choose the workflow that you want to use from the following options:
        Print and measure a color chart performs printing and measurement in a single process. You can choose whether to use gloss enhancer and how much drying time to allow.
        Print a color chart for later measurement assumes that you will measure the printed chart at some later time to complete the process. You can choose whether to use gloss enhancer.
        Measure a previously printed color chart completes the process if you have a color chart ready for measurement. Load the chart in the correct direction as indicated by the arrows, loading multiple pages in the correct order, and do not cut the paper.
        Export a color chart as a TIFF for printing externally allows you to use a different program (a RIP, for example) to print the color chart. Do not modify the TIFF file in any way before printing it. The printed chart should be exactly the correct size; the simplest way to achieve this is to print it on a paper size larger than the chart and then cut the paper after printing as indicated by the crop marks.
    If printing a chart, select one of the available charts.
    If measuring a chart, select the characteristics of the measurements file: what sort of information it should contain (CGATS and MonacoPROFILER formats are supported), and where the file should be saved.
       NOTE:    Chart measurement may not be successful if you load the chart as a single sheet without skew check.
    Open the measurements file with your profiling program.

   NOTE:    The printer's spectrophotometer measures from 400 to 700 nm in steps of 20 nm. All other measurement types are interpolated.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2013, 08:21:03 PM »
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The HP Utility and Color Center is your friend.

Go to:  All Settings, then to Paper Preset Management

Choose the + and create a new paper - name it (custom something) and calibrate it.

Then go to the right column, with the * and the down arrow.

Choose color measurement, and then look at the list that pops up.

If you want to print and measure the sheet, then choose that option.

Otherwise, print the target for later reading, and let it dry, then go back in to * color measurement and choose the "measure a color chart previously printed" option.

Should work, but remember to read the previous post carefully.

Hope this helps.

Any other Z3200 owners out there that know how to do this any other way, or better, please feel free to jump in.

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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2013, 02:56:33 PM »
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Thank you mark. i got hung up because i loaded 13x19" paper but told the printer it was A3, so i think the printer assumed the paper was jammed . I appreciate the assistance
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2013, 07:53:23 PM »
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Thank you mark. i got hung up because i loaded 13x19" paper but told the printer it was A3, so i think the printer assumed the paper was jammed . I appreciate the assistance

No problem - my pleasure.  Glad you got it to work - thanks for reporting back what the problem was - little things like that can be tricky - it's relatively unforgiving as a process.
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2013, 04:18:48 AM »
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Thank you mark. i got hung up because i loaded 13x19" paper but told the printer it was A3, so i think the printer assumed the paper was jammed . I appreciate the assistance

After all size did matter for your Z3200 :-)

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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2013, 05:13:54 PM »
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After all size did matter for your Z3200 :-)

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Ernst - exactly right - Felix loaded 13 x 19 sheet paper and it would not print a custom profile chart on it.
I just duplicated this issue, to test it, and indeed, the profiling system says to load either A3 or B size paper.

I just cut a 13" x 19" sheet (super B) down, to 11" x 17" (A) and loaded it and it took, no problem at all.

very easy to profile and did NOT require using the "Color Measurement" feature, although that would work for a chart that needed to dry for a longer time period.

You were right as usual, Ernst.

-Mark
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2013, 08:20:50 PM »
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Still not working, very frustrating.  Decided to throw away 2 boxes of paper rather than fight this machine. No more tech support and HP wanted $40 to talk to someone with NO comprehension of the english language. This is the achilles heel of the HP printer, great for rolls, frugal with ink, produces great prints but sheet paper use just blows.
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2013, 02:14:10 AM »
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Felix,

As I understand it you can profile roll paper but not sheets. The sheet size is 13x19 inch, 33x49 cm roughly. Anything wider than 30 cm is accepted as a roll, you only have to make sure that there is enough length when the target is printed and dried that the sensor in the media insert slit does not see the end of that sheet. Tape an extra piece of paper to the sheet that will get the target printed. Tape carefully on the underside, transparent 2" tape. Load. Call it a roll in the printer panel menu.  The target should not overlap the taped seam but stay within the leading sheet. I would try the tape on the long sides of the sheets and feed the 48 cm width as it speeds up printing and scanning and is a bit more economic with the patches stretched on that width.

There is no problem when I calibrate and profile sheets here on the Z3100/Z3200 but they have been larger than the size you use.

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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2013, 07:17:55 AM »
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Still not working, very frustrating.  Decided to throw away 2 boxes of paper rather than fight this machine. No more tech support and HP wanted $40 to talk to someone with NO comprehension of the english language. This is the achilles heel of the HP printer, great for rolls, frugal with ink, produces great prints but sheet paper use just blows.

Felix -
Working with paper sheets with the Z3200 is a learned skill.  Once you get it, you've got it and it becomes second nature.  Certainly you are able to hand load a sheet of 13 x 19 in order to first calibrate, right?  Are you having a problem loading the sheets, or are you having a problem in not being able to get the custom profile loaded and read by the printer?

Ernst and I speak English very well, and our advice is free.  He is a guru, and I'm a savant.  Get with it, quit whining, and take advantage of the forum and our knowledge and expertise.  You can do this.  Be specific in outlining exactly what specific problem(s) you are having, at this juncture, please.

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2013, 07:43:13 AM »
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Here is the way I work with sheet paper, for example, a custom paper like Epson Velvet, 13 x 19 (Super B)

BEGIN WITH NEW PAPER PRESET - (Create a new custom preset and calibrate)

CALIBRATE THE PAPER

1.  Load a full sheet, with skew check.  I load the paper in the rear tray from the front, leaning over the printer, and I line up the paper with a small groove to the right, that can't be felt with the fingers.  The printer takes it in, then asks "Roll or sheet", then I check "Sheet with Skew Check".

2.  The printer mostly rejects the first load, gives a message "too much skew", and since I'm still standing IN FRONT of the printer, it's easy to flip the lever (on left) UP and then position the paper at the blue lines.  This requires a little practice and skill and eventually, you get it and the printer checks and rolls the paper back in, until it accepts it.  If it is still misaligned, it requests you do the process again.  Repeat until you get it.  Once you get it, you've got it - no big deal.

3.  Calibrate the sheet.

(*NOTE That if using a 13x19 sheet, the calibration chart takes up less than half the sheet, vertically.  This can be used by flipping vertically (end for end) and you can run another calibration at the other end, if you wish).  In other words, you can print TWO (2) calibration charts, one on each end of the sheet.  This is useful if you make a mistake, or alternatively, put the sheet back in the box with the paper, and use it to update a calibration for the paper at a later date.


CREATE CUSTOM PROFILE

(Ernst and I have two ways of doing this.  Please see his explanation of how to do this whole process (Calibrate and profile) with one taped sheet.)

1.  Cut a 13 x 19 sheet down to 11" x 17"

2.  Load the 11 x 17 sheet, same method as outlined above (see 1 and 2).

3.  Go to Paper Preset management in the color center and click "profile paper"

4.  Make  sure you also click "Add ICC Profile"

Should be good to go.

This is a relatively straightforward process, Felix.  If you try this and it doesn't work, let us know what seems to be the problem you are having.

-Mark




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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2013, 03:51:06 PM »
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OK, it finally worked, thanks guys. Can anyone explain why cutting the sheet to be profiles down to 11x17" works and using a 13x19" sheet does not?
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2013, 04:01:13 PM »
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OK, it finally worked, thanks guys. Can anyone explain why cutting the sheet to be profiles down to 11x17" works and using a 13x19" sheet does not?

Because in the third post down from the beginning - a direct quote from HP:

A profiling chart is printed, which contains patches of each ink used in your printer. Unlike a calibration chart, most of the patches contain combinations of more than one ink.
The printer chooses automatically between two profile charts:

    An A3 or B format for cut sheets


Pretty simple really.  Ernst explained this several days ago.  A3 or B  ONLY.

It pays to read carefully and follow HP's directions.  A lot of headaches and learning the hard way if you don't.

It's almost ALWAYS pilot error when it doesn't work - but it's easy to blame it on the machine.

Ernst can probably tell you the specific reason WHY it defaults to either A3 or B.

My guess is because they just standardized it that way due to the patch size, but I have NO IDEA, really.  They just did.

The printer makes NO such distinction for rolls, which is why Ernst told you to tape the sheets together to fool the printer as a workaround.

Anyway, glad you got it working.


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