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« on: September 11, 2013, 08:17:02 PM »
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Rob, you must be onto something in your tirade against street photography Grin

You are fully vindicated here, and then some:

Now Fatwa against photography!
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2013, 10:15:25 AM »
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Rob, you must be onto something in your tirade against street photography Grin

You are fully vindicated here, and then some:

Now Fatwa against photography!


I wonder if that puts some Moslem photo-selfies into sinful selfie territory, then?

Parts of the world are going nuts - have always been nuts. It illustrates the futility of meddling with the mores of countries so different to our own. Religion and politics are best left at the Departure Lounge. Let's just buy their oil and sell them our fighter jets and Rollers.

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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2013, 12:32:46 PM »
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I could understand and even support a fatwa against selfies, but not against other kinds of photographs.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2013, 12:37:38 PM »
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Anybody still wonder why these people are so backward?
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2013, 12:46:52 PM »
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Depicting people in illustrations contravenes the laws of all the People Of The Book.  Nothing new in this.

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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2013, 01:06:48 PM »
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Anybody still wonder why these people are so backward?

Firm adherence to supernaturalist mumbo-jumbo?
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2013, 01:08:16 PM »
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Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Exodus 20:4 KJV

Hence the role of calligraphy in Islamic art.
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2013, 04:14:24 PM »
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Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Exodus 20:4 KJV

Numbers 21:9
And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard ....

Hummmm... seems like old Mose didn't read that part of what he wrote...  Grin   or maybe what it meant was not to make idols to worship in lieu of YHWH.

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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2013, 06:45:39 PM »
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Or maybe what it meant was exactly what it said, unless the Lord thy God explicitly commands you otherwise ;-)

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And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole...

Numbers 21:8 KJV


You definitely win this months selective quotation competition.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2013, 11:23:45 PM »
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You definitely win this months selective quotation competition.
My brother's favorite bible quote is from Psalm 137: "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." KJV

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2013, 04:07:20 AM »
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My brother's favorite bible quote is from Psalm 137: "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." KJV




All in all, photography seems the least of many evils!

Actually, I think that the ban doesn't really apply to photography: it just applies to bad pictures. Shit! That's where we came in...

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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2013, 12:21:15 PM »
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Anybody still wonder why these people are so backward?

As it stands, that's offensive. You might want to rephrase.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2013, 12:29:46 PM »
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As it stands, that's offensive. You might want to rephrase.

Ooops! Somebody must have called 199, the PC Police Wink
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2013, 03:06:18 PM »
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Well, Mr Antony Wiener might have been better off if he had obeyed that fatwa.....his selfies earned the OTHER "S" word, stupid.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2013, 03:33:48 PM »
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But then how would you advertise heinous crimes via Al Jazeera?
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2013, 04:49:54 PM »
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As it stands, that's offensive. You might want to rephrase.

What's offensive about it, Robert? These folks are trying hard to turn back the clock to the seventh century. I'll admit that sometimes I get  a bit nostalgic about some things I enjoyed in the fifties, but longing for the seventh century is a bit much.
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2013, 05:51:30 PM »
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nothing gets a girl going like when you talk about the fatwa on your head...
hey I thought this was a photography website?
The people that come around this place continue to fill me with awe and wonder.
Seriously,
we all need to take a good look at just what is what,
because if I can't make fun of god in any meaningful way - or see that the sun is coming up tomorrow just because there are men,
men that just don't change,
you know,
Like RSL or RobC or even probably and I hope, to a much lesser degree, me.
So in the hopes that men will stay in with men they throw in with,
I suggest you take your censorship and shove it up gods,
well

I am outta here...my one good thing awaits...
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2013, 06:15:52 PM »
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What's offensive about it, Robert? These folks are trying hard to turn back the clock to the seventh century. I'll admit that sometimes I get  a bit nostalgic about some things I enjoyed in the fifties, but longing for the seventh century is a bit much.
Hello Russ.
I'll have a go at an answer. No doubt others could do better though.
It's that the question "Anybody still wonder why these people are so backward?" comes across as breathtakingly arrogant. I'm not suggesting that you or any member of this forum think you are more important than other people, it's just how the question appears.
If I call someone backward it implies I am in some way superior, and people are entitled to ask in what manner this manifests. I'll use the USA as an example, but Europe or any other place would do.
Are folks in the USA morally superior? What do their divorce rates, crime statistics and imprisonment rates, care of the poor and sick show?
Are the better stewards of their environment?
Are they better stewards of their financial system and use it for the betterment of all?
In their day to day actions do they, as a nation, do the things that please God?
To say that those folks "over there" are worse is not an excuse for our own failings.
I think it a question of respect. So one Muslim cleric somewhere issues an opinion about photography. So what. If he advocates violence that's another matter. Hezekiah had the bronze sepent mentioned above destroyed because it became an object of superstitious veneration. If for religious reasons, in their corner of the world, some folks are concerned about such use and misuse of images, I have no problem with that. I won't knowingly photograph them.
But I may make them the subject of a little gentle humour.
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2013, 06:30:19 PM »
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The opposite of superior is inferior, not backward.

The opposite of backward is advanced.

So your pontificating is missing the target.
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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2013, 06:45:28 PM »
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Hello Russ.
I'll have a go at an answer. No doubt others could do better though.
It's that the question "Anybody still wonder why these people are so backward?" comes across as breathtakingly arrogant. I'm not suggesting that you or any member of this forum think you are more important than other people, it's just how the question appears.
If I call someone backward it implies I am in some way superior, and people are entitled to ask in what manner this manifests. I'll use the USA as an example, but Europe or any other place would do.
Are folks in the USA morally superior? What do their divorce rates, crime statistics and imprisonment rates, care of the poor and sick show?
Are the better stewards of their environment?
Are they better stewards of their financial system and use it for the betterment of all?
In their day to day actions do they, as a nation, do the things that please God?
To say that those folks "over there" are worse is not an excuse for our own failings.
I think it a question of respect. So one Muslim cleric somewhere issues an opinion about photography. So what. If he advocates violence that's another matter. Hezekiah had the bronze sepent mentioned above destroyed because it became an object of superstitious veneration. If for religious reasons, in their corner of the world, some folks are concerned about such use and misuse of images, I have no problem with that. I won't knowingly photograph them.
But I may make them the subject of a little gentle humour.

Oh, my! Frankly that's More PC than I can deal with all at one time. I have no problem with their desire to avoid images, David, but I have a big problem with their intention to force me to avoid images. They can go back to the seventh century as far as I'm concerned, but if they do I'd expect them not to try to force me go back to the seventh century along with them. They've made it clear that their objective is a seventh century Caliphate that encompasses all of us. Uh uh. Sorry, going along with that idea is more PC than I can stomach.
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