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HSakols
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« on: October 03, 2013, 08:13:35 AM »
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Here is the response from one of our representatives who voted to shut down the government.  He doesn't realize that the National Park Service is part of the federal government and wants to shoot the messenger with the bad news.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Congressman-Confronts-Park-Ranger-Over-Closed-WWII-Memorial-226209781.html

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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2013, 09:01:49 AM »
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This autumn won't be as colorful for us photographers wanting to visit national parks.  That pales in comparison to people who will not have access to essential services like meals on wheels, national institutes of health medical programs, WIC food support for poor, or public safety regulation like food inspections and EPA inspections.  Short-sighted thinking by right-wing ideologues will destroy our country with one manufactured crisis after another.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2013, 10:30:17 AM »
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Folks, this is the way politics works. We don't have a king or dictator to make all our decisions for us. At least not yet. I'm thankful we have a strong two party system, no matter how messy it may look.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2013, 10:39:46 AM »
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Folks, this is the way politics works. We don't have a king or dictator to make all our decisions for us. At least not yet. I'm thankful we have a strong two party system, no matter how messy it may look.

no, that's not the way politics needs to work.  This action is being undertaken by a minority of half of the legislature who is holding everyone else hostage.  The leadership is afraid of the minority so they won't let a clean funding bill come to the floor.  If they did, all Democrats would vote for it and a handful of the remaining reasonable Republicans would vote for it.  These ideologues have tried and failed many times to overturn The Affordable Care Act through the proper legislative channels, but they don't have the votes, so now they are going to hold all other government programs hostage.  That isn't okay.  That isn't how a Democracy works.  That is how a Democracy fails.

Don't make false equivalence here.  There are a couple dozen people who are to blame here.  In this debacle, they happen to be Republicans.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2013, 11:20:16 AM »
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no, that's not the way politics needs to work.  This action is being undertaken by a minority of half of the legislature who is holding everyone else hostage.  The leadership is afraid of the minority so they won't let a clean funding bill come to the floor.  If they did, all Democrats would vote for it and a handful of the remaining reasonable Republicans would vote for it.  These ideologues have tried and failed many times to overturn The Affordable Care Act through the proper legislative channels, but they don't have the votes, so now they are going to hold all other government programs hostage.  That isn't okay.  That isn't how a Democracy works.  That is how a Democracy fails.

Don't make false equivalence here.  There are a couple dozen people who are to blame here.  In this debacle, they happen to be Republicans.
http://pressthink.org/2013/10/the-production-of-innocence-in-the-reporting-of-american-politics-a-pressthink-analysis/

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2013, 11:46:24 AM »
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If I hated the US, this would be a schadenfreude moment. As it is, I look at the US right now & think, the people do not deserve this nonsense from their politicians. Really, it looks like the US has become a Central American state from 40 years ago, looking like a banana republic. Sad times.

I saw this image from the other (non-photographic) forum I frequent. Pretty much sums up the Tea Party stance on this issue



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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2013, 12:17:43 PM »
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In the linked video, a "voice from the crowd" said:  "The House did its job; it passed appropriations. The Senate hasn't"

That twisted logic is the same as blaming those that didn't cave in to ransom demands for the hostage death.

Here is the response from one of our representatives who voted to shut down the government.  He doesn't realize that the National Park Service is part of the federal government and wants to shoot the messenger with the bad news.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Congressman-Confronts-Park-Ranger-Over-Closed-WWII-Memorial-226209781.html
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2013, 12:24:52 PM »
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Folks, this is the way politics works...

No, that is how really, really, really bad politics works.

If government is not needed, than get rid of it, shut it down... permanently. If it is needed, you do not get to shut it down, even temporarily.

It is like having a child... you do not get to switch it off and on, you do not get to choose that you have a child when it suits you and that it is not your child when it doesn't suit you.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2013, 12:26:42 PM »
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Ahh yesss. . . Here we go again into liberal la la land.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013, 12:33:22 PM »
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Ahh yesss. . . Here we go again into liberal la la land.

What's government got to do with the "liberal la la land"? Governments are not partisan. National Parks are not partisan. Governments were there for neocons too. When Republicans were in power and when Democrats were in power.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013, 01:14:21 PM »
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Ahh yesss. . . Here we go again into liberal la la land.

You mean where attention to facts, respect for logic, and a modicum of intelligence rule?
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2013, 02:34:45 PM »
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Liberal land?
Now we are in the land of Ayn Rand Conservatives who would like to privatize our country until it becomes as unstable as many African Nations.  The liberals are the ones running naked through the meadows of Yosemite Valley-don't worry they won't let them in.  OK I'm ducking under my desk to block any dung thrown my way.  Oh the biking outside of the park entrances is quite enjoyable. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013, 02:57:10 PM »
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I can see why the access to libraries & museums might be an issue, but why can't you get into the National Parks? Surely you just drive in, park up, get out & walk. At least, that's what we do in our parks.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2013, 03:52:43 PM »
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Many US National Parks charge an entrance fee, and camping fees, and... so you need someone to collect the money and maintain the services.

Incidentally, the 3 largest US National Parks are all larger than Wales.

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2013, 04:48:33 PM »
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If the parks are closed, what happens to those hikers on things like the PCT? They could well have been part-way through a journey, unaware that things have gone the way they have, and not find out 'til they arrive at a point along the trail where they reasonably expect a campsite, maybe opportunity for resupply, and things like that.

It really is a ridiculous situation for a country to get itself into.
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2013, 05:26:26 PM »
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You can drive through to Yosemite to get from point a to point b but you may not stop to play.  There are checkpoints along the way.  This means you can drive through to photograph the fall colors on the east side.  My wife was lucky enough to ride her bike into the Yosemite Valley today from El Portal because she was going to work (I'm sure she had to do some explaining at the checkpoints).  She works for a park partner until tomorrow and then will be let off until things change.  Already my neighbors have packed up and left for what could be a long vacation.  Again this is really hurting all the parks' gateway communities.  Here in Mariposa county we are hurting do to fires, floods, and now this!   ARRRRRRGHHH.  Surprisingly enough all my students were present today at El Portal School. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2013, 05:42:09 PM »
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You can drive through to Yosemite to get from point a to point b but you may not stop to play. 
may I stop to "replace" a tire ?
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2013, 05:45:08 PM »
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So you're not free to walk in your National Parks? Who owns them? I thought the people owned them. Was I wrong?
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2013, 06:15:09 PM »
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"The Park Service should be ashamed of themselves," the congressman said.

Wrong. How so very very wrong.

It is the congressman that should feel ashamed of himself and congress that should feel ashamed of itself.
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2013, 06:38:30 PM »
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"The Park Service should be ashamed of themselves," the congressman said.

Wrong. How so very very wrong.

It is the congressman that should feel ashamed of himself and congress that should feel ashamed of itself.
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