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« Reply #120 on: October 08, 2013, 01:02:22 PM »
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So, lets Obama do whatever he want?  If u go to Grand Canyon do U have to pay or its free?  I think I paid last time I forgot my NP pass..So its NOT free.  why is closed?

Why I need to pay more for my ins?  Do u ever read?

Oh sorry the Messiah promise he will take care the blind and all will see ..Wow, they really can see, but no those the love him, and keep thinking he its the real messiah, in fail to open those the do not want to see to open their eyes..He is just a liar!

God Bless ME..U have your bless with him, so U do not need it..

Can i burn out your house nooooo,can I get free cell phone in med and can I buy drug with the cash i get..why no? sure.Can i get more BC, I decide people the work, are working to much now, in I just want to be here with section 8 for free, in I want a big 80" tv can i do that..sure, why not?

If its free, lets punish those the not want it free just want to work to eat.  Oh BOY, I think I will go soon for free, oh in I want more cell phone the new one..if Not i get mad and u pay!








no, that's not the way politics needs to work.  This action is being undertaken by a minority of half of the legislature who is holding everyone else hostage.  The leadership is afraid of the minority so they won't let a clean funding bill come to the floor.  If they did, all Democrats would vote for it and a handful of the remaining reasonable Republicans would vote for it.  These ideologues have tried and failed many times to overturn The Affordable Care Act through the proper legislative channels, but they don't have the votes, so now they are going to hold all other government programs hostage.  That isn't okay.  That isn't how a Democracy works.  That is how a Democracy fails.

Don't make false equivalence here.  There are a couple dozen people who are to blame here.  In this debacle, they happen to be Republicans.
http://pressthink.org/2013/10/the-production-of-innocence-in-the-reporting-of-american-politics-a-pressthink-analysis/

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/385468973971951616
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« Reply #121 on: October 08, 2013, 01:33:12 PM »
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I can see I wasted my opening salvo, so here we go...
this has nothing to do with immigrant policy.
It is a health carte debate.
This has nothing to do with the three equal branches of govt. the issue was decided by at least 2/3 of them, and half or more of the remaining third.
So,
this really is about the stupid goat in the white house isn't it?
That dumb field goat had his head down in the grass for too long,
we don't need to listen to that stupid goat.
He's just a dumb goat...
so no,
you 14% of the electorate don't get it your own way,
wahhhh says the 14%
we don't ebven know why but wahhhhh
ps, single payer universal health care is the only thing I'll be satisfied with.
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« Reply #122 on: October 08, 2013, 02:02:15 PM »
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Please start a topic "US Political opinions"

Isaac,

This topic was started with a very political angle. The very political angle is at the core of the national park closure and the government shutdown. So, unless you want this topic to be ONLY about national park closure from a non-political angle, eg., what are the best paths to bypass ramps at the entrance to national parks, people will continue with political discussions.
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« Reply #123 on: October 08, 2013, 02:19:06 PM »
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The very political angle is at the core of the national park closure and the government shutdown.

I agree; but whatever initial connection to NP closure or the government shutdown there might have been has gone.

Why not start a new topic for those who wish to quarrel about US politics in general?
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« Reply #124 on: October 08, 2013, 06:17:22 PM »
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Maybe you can start saying IF we pay to go to OURS land as Grand Canyon, why its closed?


Its enough people paying to go in see, so why its closed..Arcadia its closed BUT no really they can't closed it.

its OURS land no the the president or anyone else land..who give it to them?  They ALL mean ALL should be fired and impeach, maybe NEXT one learn we paying them to do a JOB no to control ALL.

Wow wow wow, amen to me!  U agree? please say yes..hey its like present agreeing with me..life its so short U should always agree with me..wow again!!!!!!
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« Reply #125 on: October 12, 2013, 03:08:29 PM »
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Now, THIS is a real tragedy of the government shutdown:

Shutdown closes tap on new beers

From the article:

FORT COLLINS, Colo. -- The federal government shutdown is giving some folks one more reason to cry in their beers: An obscure but powerful arm of the Treasury Department has stopped approving new brews...
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« Reply #126 on: October 12, 2013, 03:22:53 PM »
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What a joke! Coors sold beer only inside Colorado for a long time before it went national. Used to drive me nuts that I couldn't get Coors outside the state. If the new breweries in Colorado would do the same thing for now, they could tell the feds to stick it.
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« Reply #127 on: October 12, 2013, 03:55:09 PM »
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... Used to drive me nuts that I couldn't get Coors outside the state...

You are in a good company then. Rumor has it that Henry Kissinger used to fly it to the White House.
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« Reply #128 on: October 12, 2013, 04:13:34 PM »
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You'd be surprised to know how much Coors got moved from bases like Denver's Lowry to other bases by military aircraft back in the old days.
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« Reply #129 on: October 12, 2013, 07:54:52 PM »
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Politics and Coors- Cheesy

That particular coors scent ah yeah, like at the glue factory auction,
I'll never see a coors again without immediately thinking "redneck"
or "wannabe"
too many drunk jacks and rednecks.
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« Reply #130 on: October 16, 2013, 01:15:24 PM »
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If you happen to have a P.O. box in ZIP code 95389, which serves Yosemite Valley, as some of my friends do, the young ranger, one of the few still working, is obliged to let you pass, and you may execute a hard right-hand turn around the traffic cones and pull back onto the Yosemite loop road.

NY Times October 15, 2013
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« Reply #131 on: October 16, 2013, 08:23:36 PM »
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NO the tax payers own the land.  WE pay the bills so we own the land they just protect it.  Since the government had no right to close us off from public lands they all should be fired.  The Head of the Forst Service, Nat'l Park should have stood forward and demanded they the President had no Right what so ever to shut down the lands the Tax payers own.  WE pay for the up keep, and the salaries.  Its the problem very few people will stand up for what's RIGHT.  Tim
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« Reply #132 on: October 17, 2013, 12:06:19 AM »
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NO the tax payers own the land.  WE pay the bills so we own the land they just protect it.  Since the government had no right to close us off from public lands they all should be fired.  The Head of the Forst Service, Nat'l Park should have stood forward and demanded they the President had no Right what so ever to shut down the lands the Tax payers own.  WE pay for the up keep, and the salaries.  Its the problem very few people will stand up for what's RIGHT.  Tim
Is not (one core) problem in the US that it is actually not (only) the tax-payers that pay for things (and thus owns it)? You seem to be maxing out your credit cards, meaning that China and other nations (in the end) will "own" your land?

There seems to be fundamentally two ways to avoid this:
1: pay more tax
2: reduce spending

(there probably are some other options, like "attack some middle-eastern country and seize their oil", but lets not get into that)

I am endlessly fascinated by the US. We share so much culture (movies, games, the internet) that one might think that we are the same people. Yet, in many ways we seem to live on different planets. How is it possible for a two-party system to have so much apparent hatred for the other party? How is it possible to have so much apparent hatred for your allies and commercial/cultural partners ("socialist hell Sweden")? How is it possible to think that sending your boys out to die in an unjust and massively expensive war on the other side of the globe is ok, but giving all people basic health-care or denying people access to automatic weapons (that no-one could think about at the time of your constitution, neither could they envision nuclear weapons) is a crime that should be punished by any means necessary? What are the mechanisms that led to US restaurants advertising the weight of their burgers/steaks as a prominent feature?

Whatever the stance on US healthcare (and frankly, it is not my health nor my money), I think that this situation has been a sad thing for the US politicial system, as well as both parties.

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« Reply #133 on: October 17, 2013, 12:24:22 AM »
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... the lands the Tax payers own.  WE pay for the up keep...

Ahmmm... You do realize that "we" stopped paying for the upkeep 16 days ago?
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« Reply #134 on: October 17, 2013, 11:59:06 AM »
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How is it possible for a two-party system to have so much apparent hatred for the other party?

How is civil war possible? (It obviously has been possible in many parts of the world.)

Perhaps this article will help you understand some of the background -- The Roots of the Government Shutdown.
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« Reply #135 on: October 17, 2013, 12:10:01 PM »
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NO the tax payers own the land.  WE pay the bills so we own the land they just protect it.  Since the government had no right to close us off from public lands they all should be fired.  The Head of the Forst Service, Nat'l Park should have stood forward and demanded they the President had no Right what so ever to shut down the lands the Tax payers own.  WE pay for the up keep, and the salaries.  Its the problem very few people will stand up for what's RIGHT.  Tim

I am taxpayer too and I have an opposite opinion, so stop your arrogant "WE"
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« Reply #136 on: October 17, 2013, 12:37:45 PM »
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How is civil war possible? (It obviously has been possible in many parts of the world.)

Perhaps this article will help you understand some of the background -- The Roots of the Government Shutdown.

Thanks, Isaac. That's one of the more reasoned articles I've seen. Friedman hits the nail on the head when he lays the blame for a lot of our current political problems on the switch to primary elections for candidate selection. That shift made it possible for liars and charlatans to sway ignorant masses. We've been paying the price ever since. He forgot to mention the change in 1913 between appointment of senators by state legislatures to election at large, which has produced a similar fiasco.

As an aside, those who believe the animosity in our current congress is at an historic high don't know their history.
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« Reply #137 on: October 17, 2013, 01:04:11 PM »
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How is civil war possible?...

And in absence of one, there is always a class warfare.
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« Reply #138 on: October 17, 2013, 05:01:29 PM »
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He forgot to mention...

... the self-segregation of the population into look-alike think-alike outer suburban communities and big-data; both of which make gerrymandering much easier and so effective that politicians select voters, not vice versa.
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« Reply #139 on: October 17, 2013, 07:17:40 PM »
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So the picture was clearer when state legislatures appointed Senators. Right?
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