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« on: October 13, 2013, 04:04:58 AM »
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I'm ready to order a NEC P232W for home use, but I'm a bit unclear on the Spectraview situation here in Europe. The European Spectraview Profiler software will only allow software calibration to the video card. What I want is the US Spectraview II software, which hardware calibrates to the monitor's internal 14-bit LUT.

I have confirmation (on TFT central) that Spectraview II does support and will work on a European P232W unit. And I already have supported sensors. But Spectraview II isn't available here.

So my question is - what happens if I try to purchase it for download from the US NEC website? Will I just be redirected to a European site and effectively shut off (a la Adobe)? Anyone done this?

(Yes, I could get the Spectraview edition of the monitor, but it's almost twice the price here in Europe and if I have to spend that much I'd rather go Eizo CS).
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2013, 03:45:24 PM »
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On closer look it seems the Spectraview Profiler has an even better option than hardware calibration: no calibration at all, profiling only.

I believe the P232W should be well-behaved enough so that calibration isn't really necessary (and this is an option I've missed with the Eizo). I use color managed software for everything anyway, and all I need for that is a good monitor profile. I don't really care how it looks without color management.

I'm still interested in whether I can get Spectraview II in Europe, but it doesn't seem quite so pressing anymore...
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2013, 04:39:22 PM »
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Make sure you can live with the low LED backlighting pulse width modulation frequency (180Hz) of the P232W, mentioned in the tftcentral review. Some people may see the flicker or get eye strain, headaches or even worse. Buyer beware.
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2013, 04:50:19 PM »
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Yes, I noticed that discussion... Grin

I'm not too worried. By all accounts this looks like a fine little monitor. I've already pushed the button, I promise to come back here if I have any problems.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2013, 10:46:09 PM »
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I'm not too worried. By all accounts this looks like a fine little monitor. I've already pushed the button, I promise to come back here if I have any problems.
You may not be too worried, but I hope for your sake that you can return the monitor if you experience any problems for a full refund. Otherwise you may be in for an unpleasant surprise.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2013, 02:45:56 AM »
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Hi,

You can't buy SVII software license from NEC US site unless you're US resident. You can buy the box version from B&H, but it's not a cheap solution.

Solutions are:
1) Free NEC Multiprofiler software for hardware calibration without sensor (works surprisingly good)
2) Free GammaComp MD http://www.necdisplay.com/support-and-services/gamma-comp/downloads PC only, and not as convenient as SVII, but it works with most popular sensors
3) SpectraView Profiler a.k.a. basICColor display 5 (99 Euro)- in theory it won't support full hardware calibration in MultiSync series, in practice it doesn't really matter.

I'm ready to order a NEC P232W for home use, but I'm a bit unclear on the Spectraview situation here in Europe. The European Spectraview Profiler software will only allow software calibration to the video card. What I want is the US Spectraview II software, which hardware calibrates to the monitor's internal 14-bit LUT.

I have confirmation (on TFT central) that Spectraview II does support and will work on a European P232W unit. And I already have supported sensors. But Spectraview II isn't available here.

So my question is - what happens if I try to purchase it for download from the US NEC website? Will I just be redirected to a European site and effectively shut off (a la Adobe)? Anyone done this?

(Yes, I could get the Spectraview edition of the monitor, but it's almost twice the price here in Europe and if I have to spend that much I'd rather go Eizo CS).
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2013, 02:55:08 AM »
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Hi,

You can't buy SVII software license from NEC US site unless you're US resident. You can buy the box version from B&H, but it's not a cheap solution.


That's what I wanted to know. Thank you. I'll get the Spectraview Profiler then.

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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2013, 02:56:52 AM »
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you may be in for an unpleasant surprise.

The reason I don't worry is that I have another LED monitor in the house (Eizo Flexscan EV2335, inexpensive and made for office use, but with an IPS panel. Good second monitor). Here I can actually see the flicker as the unit goes on, so the PWM has to be really low there. But after it warms up for a minute or so it's no problem.

Anyway, there's a 14-day return policy if I need it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2013, 02:57:21 AM »
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Make sure you can live with the low LED backlighting pulse width modulation frequency (180Hz) of the P232W

Cheesy ...and be aware that - according to Dr. Celia Sánchez-Ramos, of Complutense University in Madrid - W-LED can cause blindness, as its spectrum contains an energy peak in blue-violet region, which may be harmful for retina:
http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/led-zone/4419340/Do-LEDs-cause-blindness-
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2013, 11:24:35 AM »
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Cheesy ...and be aware that - according to Dr. Celia Sánchez-Ramos, of Complutense University in Madrid - W-LED can cause blindness, as its spectrum contains an energy peak in blue-violet region, which may be harmful for retina:
http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/led-zone/4419340/Do-LEDs-cause-blindness-
Oh boy, another windmill Frans can now tilt at. Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2013, 11:28:26 AM »
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I'll get the Spectraview Profiler then.
Might want to try Multiprofiler first. Can't beat the price, works quite well. Certainly the first option to try before you send more money for something that may provide added control over calibration.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2013, 12:00:34 PM »
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Thanks, will do. I don't mind paying for a good calibration/profiling solution, that's half the job. But simple is often better, and SV II appeals to me for that reason.

The plan was to get a workable white point and luminance by, well, whatever means, and then use SV Profiler just to create the profile (the "no calibration" option). I have a couple of calibrators/sensors already and between all these options I'm sure I'll find something that works. Thanks again both of you.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2013, 12:07:50 PM »
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Oh boy, another windmill Frans can now tilt at. Cheesy
Yep, the anti-PWM crusade began to be boring Roll Eyes

Thanks, will do. I don't mind paying for a good calibration/profiling solution, that's half the job. But simple is often better, and SV II appeals to me for that reason.

The plan was to get a workable white point and luminance by, well, whatever means, and then use SV Profiler just to create the profile (the "no calibration" option). I have a couple of calibrators/sensors already and between all these options I'm sure I'll find something that works. Thanks again both of you.

There's a 14 days free trial for SpectraView Profiler / basICColor Profiler, so you can compare the results with MultiProfiler. You can also use MultiProfiler + ArgyllCMS + dispcalGUI to calibrate the display and create the profile.
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2013, 01:59:26 PM »
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This is what makes display purchase fun, even when you're on a strict budget as I am this time: Small screen, no bells and whistles - but basic high quality. Luckily such displays exist. Then there's usually some money left that are well spent on calibration and profiling to get the most out of it.

I could have had a wide gamut Dell U2413, or even U2713, all calibrated and ready to go, for what I'm paying for this. But I know I'd regret it (I have an...er, unhappy history with Dell).
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2013, 03:12:13 AM »
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The P232W arrived and I've just hooked it up and kicked the tires, so to speak.

It's a beauty. It's absolutely uniform from corner to corner, and I haven't even turned on the uniformity correction. With a gray desktop it's like looking at a solid slab of gray paint. Impressive. Now to look at the best ways to get it properly calibrated and profiled.

Oh, BTW, no headaches yet. Or actually I already had one, but for wholly unrelated reasons.
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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2013, 09:25:10 AM »
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Oh, BTW, no headaches yet. Or actually I already had one, but for wholly unrelated reasons.
Me too and I don't even own that display <g>. Glad it worked out. Let us know how the calibrations process goes.
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2013, 10:01:59 AM »
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I think I'll just go with a standard i1 Display Pro calibration for now. Looks OK. I have the Spectraview Profiler on 14-day trial, but got some funny-looking profiles out of it, using both the i1 and Spyder3 sensors. Haven't time to figure out what the problem is.

i1 Display Pro and Spyder3/ColorEyes Display Pro give consistent and similar results.
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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2013, 10:03:44 AM »
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I think I'll just go with a standard i1 Display Pro calibration for now. Looks OK. I have the Spectraview Profiler on 14-day trial, but got some funny-looking profiles out of it, using both the i1 and Spyder3 sensors. Haven't time to figure out what the problem is.
The profiles look odd or the results of the calibration and profiling?
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2013, 01:18:54 PM »
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No, the result. Distinct red cast.

There's a lot of options in this BasICColor software, including a "hybrid" hard- and software calibration. I have to look into it in more detail. Problem is I'm bringing lots of work home the next few days and it'll just have to wait until later, as long as I have a workable i1 calibration.

But I did notice one peculiarity with the display itself. There is a distinct off-axis purple glow in the blacks, but only when viewed from the left side at about 45 degrees angle and more. Viewed from the right, at exactly the same angle, it's pure black as it should be. Weirdest thing.

I think I can live with it, it's no big deal in practice. But weird. In any case I've returned enough displays in my time and I'm just not doing it this time.
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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2013, 01:20:53 PM »
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No, the result. Distinct red cast.
Sounds like the software. Might try MultiProfiler to see if that really is the case.
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