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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2013, 03:54:41 PM »
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(Rich) white-guy pacifiers: homeless are crazy and unemployed are lazy.

Well, you could be right. Screaming transvestite guy could be completely sane, and industrious. Perhaps he's conducting research of some kind.
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2013, 05:39:54 PM »
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If you are not well travelled, you chances of seeing it in person are slim. And remember, in contrast to the two of us, most Americans have never ventured beyond their county (no, not 'country,' but indeed 'county' and even city).

Oh come on, Slobodan! First of all, the U.S. is full of people who spent time in the military and traveled all over the world. They, and I, have seen terrible poverty in places like wartime Korea -- always brought on by politics of one kind or another. But I can walk downtown in Colorado Springs and see several hoboes in every block. There's a soup kitchen in the middle of town for cat's sake.

No, I don't think people are homeless because they want to be. Some simply have lost their jobs and their homes. But most of the "homeless" I see on the streets around here are people who, before the sixties, would have resided in institutions where they could be adequately fed, housed, and medicated. One poor lady in particular sits hunched over on the base of one light post or another all day long and stares at the sidewalk. Why is this poor woman out on the street instead of in a facility that can care for her? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind of windy "progressives" who, in the sixties, decided we were violating the civil rights of these poor sods by insisting they be cared for -- yes, forcibly. Of course those morons will never admit their heartlessness. They're convinced they were doing good.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2013, 05:40:03 PM »
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Is often said that everything that can be photographed, has been photographed already. I thought the same goes for rants, especially in an era of blogs and web posts. But no, apparently there is a drought of subjects to rant about, hence this scrapping the bottom of the barrel for new subjects. White-guy photography?! Seriously!? Give me a break!

Well spoken post.

Yes, most has been done before...but we keep on blasting away...it is in our blood.
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2013, 05:42:59 PM »
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Should we rather pretend they do not exist? Or shall we assume that those homeless guys we saw in person once or twice in our life are somehow an exception, that homelessness is not a huge, widespread stain on our affluent civilization?

If someone wouldn't photograph them, how else would we know? Maybe we should organize weekend safaris or walking tours instead, through parts of our cities we otherwise would not dare (or bother) to visit?

P.S. For those interested in phenomenal photography and youth homelessness, Netflix is airing the third season of The Killing, a dark, dark crime drama, situated in Seattle. One of the best crime series on TV, in my humble opinion. Did I mention the photography is phenomenal? And that it is dark? Both in terms of the story and scene lighting, with incredibly blocked shadows and dark (again) negative space.






Yes, it is good to photograph whatever is on the street if you are a social documentary photographer. Looks like many of you quit before you start. too many 'don't do this and don't do that' running around in your head. I don't shoot that many homeless, I shoot all sort of things. But when I do take a good iconic shot of a tramp or homeless person, many times it will end up in a museum or institution.

http://www.artslant.com/ew/works/show/691522

http://www.artslant.com/ew/works/show/691524

http://www.artslant.com/ew/works/show/691526

http://www.artslant.com/ew/works/show/693463

http://www.artslant.com/ew/works/show/693474

http://www.artslant.com/ew/works/show/693481

...these people are all dead...but their images will live on. I can pay them no higher honor.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2013, 06:11:12 PM »
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Why is this poor woman out on the street instead of in a facility that can care for her? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind of windy "progressives" who, in the sixties, decided we were violating the civil rights of these poor sods by insisting they be cared for -- yes, forcibly. Of course those morons will never admit their heartlessness. They're convinced they were doing good.

Yes -- "To make matters worse, civil liberties lawyers frequently defended the rights of mentally ill prisoners to refuse medication and remain psychotic."

Yes -- "By the time Ronald Reagan assumed the governorship in 1967, California had already deinstitutionalized more than half of its state hospital patients."

And yes -- "With President Reagan and the Republicans taking over, the Mental Health Systems Act was discarded before the ink had dried and the CMHC funds were simply block granted to the states."
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2013, 07:32:26 PM »
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Oh come on, Slobodan! First of all, the U.S. is full of people who spent time in the military and traveled all over the world...

That does not make you a majority. You will notice that I used the term 'most' Americans. Both you and misirlou are educated enough to understand that your anecdotal evidence counts as those "exceptions that prove the rule," at best.

But lets see how numerous are your "well-traveled" Americans. In 2011, according to a...

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... spokesperson for the Bureau of Consular Affairs at the US State Department. Over one-third of the population to be exact, or nearly 110 million out of 313 million Americans. That’s more than double the number of US passports in circulation in 2000 (48 million) and around 15 times 1989’s 7 million. At that last number (under 3 percent of Americans)...

So, from under 3% up to 33% in the last twenty years. Impressive growth, but hardly to invalidate my 'most' Americans (ie, 67%).

However, these are issued passports, with the great majority of the growth coming after 9/11, due to the request that Americans must have either a passport or a passport card to come back from Canada, Mexico and Caribbean.

Having a passport still does not mean you actually travel. According to this analysis, in 2009, only about 3.5% of Americans actually traveled overseas.

When I told my American friend (from Chicago) that I visited 33 countries, he said "Holly cow! And I've been to three only: Canada, Mexico and... Cleveland." Smiley Joke or not, it indicates the extent of internal travel as well. I bet I visited more US national parks than most Americans.

How eye-opening are some of those overseas travels? When I was in Moscow, working for American companies, we had numerous Americans visit our offices, some leaving USA for the first time. We send a chauffeur to pick them up at the airport, drive them in a western car to their five-star western hotels in the city, take them to our western-renovated offices, then to a dinner in $300-per head best restaurants in Moscow, and ship them back to America after that. Their comment after all that: "I do not understand why are those Russians complaining?"
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2013, 07:50:19 PM »
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(Rich) white-guy pacifiers: Some homeless are crazy and some unemployed are lazy.

Factual (as edited), and yes...I suppose pacifying to some. Maybe if one doesn't have any 'white guilt' or 'wealth guilt' and takes some personal steps to help those less fortunate, one doesn't require pacifying.
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2013, 07:56:57 PM »
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That is terribly racist article.

You know, asians as a whole probably take more photos than caucasian photographers. Yet, do you see the author ranting about asians roaming the world (which they do, as do caucasians) taking the same photos over and over (which they do, as do caucasians).

Anyway, once other primitive cultures evolve enough to afford a wealthy middle class capable of wasting their money roaming the world taking the same boring photos while pointing fingers at primitive peoples, you can bet they will be the same boring photos as well.

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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2013, 07:58:02 PM »
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Yes -- "To make matters worse, civil liberties lawyers frequently defended the rights of mentally ill prisoners to refuse medication and remain psychotic."

Yes -- "By the time Ronald Reagan assumed the governorship in 1967, California had already deinstitutionalized more than half of its state hospital patients."

And yes -- "With President Reagan and the Republicans taking over, the Mental Health Systems Act was discarded before the ink had dried and the CMHC funds were simply block granted to the states."

Isaac, thanks for the link.

It seems like a "perfect storm" of liberals pursuing their agenda and republicans jumping at the opportunity to make a quick buck. State institutions disbanded and patients turned to profit-centers. The same story as with prisons, which have become a huge profit-center as well. In both cases, higher profit can be achieved by having more, not less insane/criminals and spending less, not more on their treatment/rehabilitation. In many cases, authorities are required to fill empty beds in prisons or pay for them anyway. No wonder US has the highest incarceration rates in the civilized world.
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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2013, 03:46:45 AM »
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Isaac, thanks for the link.

It seems like a "perfect storm" of liberals pursuing their agenda and republicans jumping at the opportunity to make a quick buck. State institutions disbanded and patients turned to profit-centers. The same story as with prisons, which have become a huge profit-center as well. In both cases, higher profit can be achieved by having more, not less insane/criminals and spending less, not more on their treatment/rehabilitation. In many cases, authorities are required to fill empty beds in prisons or pay for them anyway. No wonder US has the highest incarceration rates in the civilized world.


Heavens! You had me worried for a moment: I thought you'd written incineration.

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« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2013, 08:41:36 AM »
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My goodness we have run far afield.  I just started out with a nice little article ranting about photographers-of-privilege going out to do "projects" that lacked a depth of purpose and now we are talking about how Republicans and Democrats react to institutionalization of homeless folks.  Sheesh!
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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2013, 11:26:17 AM »
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... I just started out with a [not-so] nice little article ... that lacked a depth of purpose...

There, I fixed it for you!
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« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2013, 12:26:50 PM »
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There, I fixed slobodized it for you!

There, I fixed it for you!
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« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2013, 01:20:48 PM »
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There, I fixed it for you!

What your postings lack in substance is concealed by your ubiquitous and clever comments.
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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2013, 02:46:26 PM »
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What your postings lack in substance is concealed by your ubiquitous and clever comments.


Life is too short for 'message' too; nobody cares a stuff about message; there's nothing left in life worth saying. Like photography, the best has long been done.

Be happy with gloss; it's all there ever is and I value Slobodan's throw-aways highly. Used to be a guy here called Dark Penguin: he had the most memorable one-liners ever. Committed the unavoidably inevitable best-parthian-shot and took his leave. You can't better the economic beauty in that.

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« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2013, 02:49:27 PM »
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Like photography, the best has long been done.

Crap.
* Christoph C. Feldhaim walks away throwing his gear in the dumpster ...
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« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2013, 02:52:46 PM »
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Crap.
* Christoph C. Feldhaim walks away throwing his gear in the dumpster ...


Wise man! Now you don't need a statement!

You see how helpful we are in this special place? Nothing's too much - so

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« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2013, 02:53:45 PM »
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Wise man! Now you don't need a statement! You see how helpful we are in this special place? Nothng's too much - so...

Rob C

No, no ... I'll stop photography but still keep working on my statement ... Tongue
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« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2013, 02:54:37 PM »
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... [I don't care] a stuff about message; there's nothing left in [my] life worth saying. Like [my] photography, [my] best has long been done.

FTFY ;-)
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« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2013, 02:58:58 PM »
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[My] FTFY [is bigger than your] ;-)

And now for something completely different ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2P86C-1x3o
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