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« on: December 22, 2013, 09:56:58 AM »
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu4r3U_NhYI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

...new and interesting software for Epson LFPs from Silverfast.

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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2013, 10:02:37 AM »
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Yes - know about it. Stay tuned.
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2013, 01:21:26 PM »
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Yes - know about it. Stay tuned.
I'd love to see a review of it here. How about it, Mark?
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2013, 01:51:32 PM »
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It's on the work program.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2013, 02:43:44 PM »
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Got a copy but need to hammer on it. Initially the UI looks very nice. Mac only FWIW.
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2013, 02:50:41 PM »
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Got a copy but need to hammer on it. Initially the UI looks very nice. Mac only FWIW.

And not backward compatible to Snow Leopard, nor will it be. Needs Lion onward.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2013, 02:56:59 PM »
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Wondering why there is no version to support my 11880. Are there technical reasons or just a business decision do you think? If they are going to tap into and compete in the 44" market, why not the 64" market as well. Perhaps they assume most owners of the 11880 would be using RIP software already...

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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2013, 04:30:27 AM »
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In the current German Finartprinter.de is to read, there will soon come a Windows version of printao8 Smiley .
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2013, 07:35:32 AM »
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In the current German Finartprinter.de is to read, there will soon come a Windows version of printao8 Smiley .

PrinTao 8. Suitable subtitle could be "In der Beschränkung zeigt sich der Meister".  Keep it that way, enough programs that become a Jack of all trades, .... Nice GUI. In features somewhere between Qimage (Windows) and Roy Harrington's Print Tool (OS-X). Priced above both though and at the moment with a severe Epson only limitation compared to Qimage. That will change I guess. Mac/Epson users should be happy now. Whether paper manufacturer's created media choices make the difference has to be seen, the .oms files for the HP Z's have a similar concept but do not satisfy all users. Of course the Z's have a spectrometer aboard. If Silverfast's marketing scheme is copied by Lasersoft we will see more PrinTao license types I guess. OS and printer driver types to separate them. The tools raise some questions in my mind but I will wait for reviewers with a Mac and Epson at hand. Not available in my shop.

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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2013, 07:46:07 AM »
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PrinTao 8. Suitable subtitle could be "In der Beschränkung zeigt sich der Meister".  Keep it that way, enough programs that become a Jack of all trades, .... Nice GUI. In features somewhere between Qimage (Windows) and Roy Harrington's Print Tool (OS-X). Priced above both though and at the moment with a severe Epson only limitation compared to Qimage. That will change I guess. Mac/Epson users should be happy now. Whether paper manufacturer's created media choices make the difference has to be seen, the .oms files for the HP Z's have a similar concept but do not satisfy all users. Of course the Z's have a spectrometer aboard. If Silverfast's marketing scheme is copied by Lasersoft we will see more PrinTao license types I guess. OS and printer driver types to separate them. The tools raise some questions in my mind but I will wait for reviewers with a Mac and Epson at hand. Not available in my shop.

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The marketing scheme is very simple. There is one kind of license and the cost increases with the width of your printer. I do not believe this is going to change. My research work is well underway as I do have the tools needed to do it. Stay tuned.
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2013, 06:12:35 AM »
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Should we interpret the latest article on LuLa as a shot across the bows for PrinTao 8 ? It does not tell much that we did not know already and ends in blunt advertizing.

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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2013, 08:25:20 AM »
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Should we interpret the latest article on LuLa as a shot across the bows for PrinTao 8 ? It does not tell much that we did not know already and ends in blunt advertizing.

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What article are you talking about? I did a site search and didn't find anything.
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2013, 08:29:24 AM »
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Building a Better Profile – It's All In The Recipe

Which is not a tutorial as the title suggests. Read it and tell me what it is.


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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2013, 08:35:16 AM »
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Building a Better Profile – It's All In The Recipe

Which is not a tutorial as the title suggests. Read it and tell me what it is.


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I did a quick visual scan - nothing whatsoever to do with PrinTao 8. ImagePrint and PrinTao 8 are different kinds of software that would cater to different market segments.
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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2013, 09:01:25 AM »
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I did a quick visual scan - nothing whatsoever to do with PrinTao 8. ImagePrint and PrinTao 8 are different kinds of software that would cater to different market segments.
I'll look forward to the review.  I just did a scan of the PrinTao 8 website and it doesn't look like this is much more than a sophisticate print manager.  It doesn't do what Ernst was getting at (and the topic of the article on LuLa that talks about 'recipe mixing.'  There is a built in feature that automatically scans for updates to manufacturers profiles but how many of us use those?
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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2013, 09:13:48 AM »
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I just did a scan of the PrinTao 8 website and it doesn't look like this is much more than a sophisticate print manager. 
That's my take thus far. You have a mini LR Print Module so to speak and you bypass the Epson driver which over the years, on Mac has had issues with the OS. Which may or may not be an issue between this product and whatever Apple does to break it <g>. One would hope the Lasersoft people would react much faster than Epson who after all, has to deal with dual platfrom's too. It's supposed to make all the settings and work we have to do to make a print a bit easiler (again like the LR print module). I don't expect to see 'better' print quality etc but maybe.
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2013, 09:31:02 AM »
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Like Qimage is not eating into ImagePrint's market segment?

I know of at least two shops that abandoned more expensive RIPs than ImagePrint for Qimage. Count the users that faced an Imageprint upgrade and decided that Qimage would do as well. So should PrinTao 8, that runs on a Mac, aims at Epson printers like ImagePrint does. If PrinTao 8 has those features implemented well, the LightRoom etc image libraries, the paper manufacturers sanctioned media presets + profiles, it should be a winner on Macs. It could use some Qimage algorithms if that resolution sliding bar does not hide something of that already. I see Qimage could borrow something too.

I think a fast scan is enough for the content of that Imageprint article on LuLa. Reading between the lines is not wasted either there.


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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2013, 09:49:30 AM »
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............how many of us use those?

There are numerous kinds of "us" out there Alan. And users aren't stuck with manufacturer's profiles.
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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2013, 11:13:14 AM »
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Somehow I got a bad feeling with the canned profiles they will include as downloads.  Maybe just the ones they can get from the manufacturers that off them for free.  For those of us who use non-OEM inks then what?  Plus, there are a lot of sundry paper sellers out there that they will have to support (PremierArt, Inkpress, Canon (Canon, Canon II, Canon II N), retailer's brands like Freestyle's Artista and Calumet's house brand, and ones who change their paper types often, etc.).

Packaging the printer driver is good, although Qimage may be less troublesome should the printer company change the driver or printer firmware which would mean Printao 8 might have to alter theirs too.  Qimage could remain the same as the driver is independent.  I don't think Qimage is threatened other than this being for Mac, but if Qimage had a Mac version....  I do prefer Qimage's print-sharpening over Adobe's or some other RIPwares too.

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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2013, 12:11:35 PM »
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There are numerous kinds of "us" out there Alan. And users aren't stuck with manufacturer's profiles.
I didn't say that they are.  I just find it questionable to market a product based on its ability to download Mfr's profiles.  From what I saw of the promotional stuff on the website most everything can be done within LR right now.  What they have cleverly done is to make things 'easier' to do.  As I noted I look forward to the review but given I'm on Windows and there is no ETA for a Windows version this will remain more of curiosity to me.
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