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« on: February 08, 2014, 11:24:04 AM »
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I published a post on my blog: http://wp.me/p3e0fn-k1  in which I have written down the test I did to see if two alternatives (from  Innova and Mediajet) to the now gone Ilford Gold Fibre Silk (IGFS) are indeed worthwhile alternatives. In short, my conclusion is: they are!
Would like to see other's experiences with alternatives to the so popular IGFS.
Addendum: the article is in  Dutch but google translate should do a good job.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2014, 12:56:13 PM »
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Carson Bryata I actually like this more then the ilford
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2014, 01:08:13 PM »
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Interesting,  can you explain why?
Is it the surface or the quality of the image print?

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2014, 01:38:43 PM »
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I too have switched to Canson Infinity Baryta Photographique. It's basically the same as IGFS but better packaged and less expensive. Lots of prior threads here on it.

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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2014, 07:13:29 PM »
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I switched to Canson Baryta Photographique a couple of years ago, It is a very similar paper, the base paper is more differrent than the surface.

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2014, 07:22:56 PM »
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I heartily agree with the recommendations about Canson Infinty Baryta Photographique - a magic paper and very good ICC profile from Canson too.
I also seem to recall several individuals making mention of the fact they used the Canson IBP ICC profile for the IGFS and it gave them better results than the profile from Ilford itself.
The two papers seem to print almost identically.

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2014, 08:07:06 PM »
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No experience with with now-gone Ilford, but I've made close to 1000 prints on the Canson Baryta from HP Z3200, Epson 4900 and Epson 9900 machines, since the Canson Baryta was introduced several years ago. While I do have custom ICC profiles for each of these printers, the canned Canson profiles were all pretty good. The Canson is a very nice paper and a decent dollar value. It does contain OBA compounds, as you'll be able to read here, but the prints I've had on display for a few years, in naturally lit environments, look fine (for what little that's worth). The Canson Baryta is my go-to paper for the "fine art poster" projects I do, all of which receive a laminate after Gator foam mounting. They look quite nice, honestly. But the Canson prints also look just fine under Museum glass with traditional framing also of course.

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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2014, 02:43:11 AM »
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The Bonjet Atelier Fibre, Canson Baryta Photographique, Ilford Galerie Prestige GoldFibre Silk, MediaJet PhotoArt White Baryta and the Innova IFA69 FP Baryta Satin have identical spectral plots and the same 310 gsm weight. So it does not surprise me that the ICC profiles can be exchanged for them. I thought the Innova IFA69 paper was no longer in the Innova catalog, I shifted it to the Obsolete Inkjet Media list of SpectrumViz.

The big question remains which papers were depending on the Ilford Imaging coating facilities. If there was a second source for this paper then I would bet it was Innova, the company that introduced Fiber/Baryta inkjet paper types quite early.


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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2014, 03:09:17 AM »
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The Bonjet Atelier Fibre i have not had in my hands.
The Canson Baryta Photograpique i do have had, and to me however the top surface looks slightly different.
So i suspect the ink receptive coating is different.
Will see if i can get hold of a sample and add it to the test.

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2014, 03:25:45 AM »
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When i add the Canson Baryta to the test i will also add the spectrum plots of Ernst's SpectrumViz to the article.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2014, 12:00:34 PM »
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Is it definitely confirmed,that Ilford GFS ,is no longer in production?
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2014, 05:34:31 PM »
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Has anyone tried the Epson Exhibition Fiber as replacement for the Ilford GFS?
I have a box of it coming my way to do some testing
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2014, 06:00:02 PM »
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Has anyone tried the Epson Exhibition Fiber as replacement for the Ilford GFS?
I have a box of it coming my way to do some testing

I have a box of it coming in next week,and,
I have a friend with the Epson 2880 uses it on a regular basis ,-loves the stuff,I'm reading, it is very heavy ,thick paper,but is one of Epson's finest papers,
Also,the brightness might be a little over the top for me


In my case,I will go back to the Canson Baryta,as a replacement for the Ilford GFS
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2014, 06:04:42 PM »
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Has anyone tried the Epson Exhibition Fiber as replacement for the Ilford GFS?
I have a box of it coming my way to do some testing

It has a much higher OBA count and a more textured surface. There are plenty of close replacements for GFS, but Epson Exhibition Fibre (Espson Trad Photo) isn't one of them. And unless you are running an Epson printer, you will have to create custom profiles for it.

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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2014, 07:32:26 PM »
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It has a much higher OBA count and a more textured surface. There are plenty of close replacements for GFS, but Epson Exhibition Fibre (Espson Trad Photo) isn't one of them. And unless you are running an Epson printer, you will have to create custom profiles for it.

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Hugo,
What is your opinion on the Epson profile ,for the Exhibition Fiber --any good?
Is a custom profile still recommended?
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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2014, 08:01:29 PM »
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Hugo,
What is your opinion on the Epson profile ,for the Exhibition Fiber --any good?
Is a custom profile still recommended?

I have an old Epson 9600 and not all the papers have profiles for it available.
I much rather profile every paper or canvas using a color munki.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2014, 09:03:56 PM »
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Hugo,
What is your opinion on the Epson profile ,for the Exhibition Fiber --any good?
Is a custom profile still recommended?

The Epson profiles for the 3880 and 9890 where fine, but it has been a while. It isn't a paper I would turn to often.

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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2014, 09:08:54 PM »
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I have an old Epson 9600 and not all the papers have profiles for it available.
I much rather profile every paper or canvas using a color munki.


I,ve never had much luck withe colormunki profiles.

If the epson profile doesn't,t work,I,ll ask Eric Chan to make me one.
He has made a few profiles for me ,for some of my other papers,they were all ,right on the money,and he is a pleasure to work with.

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2014, 09:11:58 PM »
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The Epson profiles for the 3880 and 9890 where fine, but it has been a while. It isn't a paper I would turn to often.

Brian A

I,m a bit concerned about the thickness,and the brightness.
Just thought I,d give it a shot?
It was a little pricey too.
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2014, 10:05:16 PM »
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I,ve never had much luck withe colormunki profiles.

If the epson profile doesn't,t work,I,ll ask Eric Chan to make me one.
He has made a few profiles for me ,for some of my other papers,they were all ,right on the money,and he is a pleasure to work with.


Eric stopped making profiles a year or so back.

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