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Paulo Bizarro
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« Reply #100 on: May 07, 2014, 03:12:59 AM »
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This is bringing innuendo and conspiracy theories to farcical levels.  You've got no named source, no citation, no link, no spec sheet - just an allegation, so far unsubstantiated. It's worthy of gossip rags.

At launch, the reviewers all had pre-release models to base their initial reports on. Their was, as it turned out, some MISINFORMATION, not lies, nor duplicity nor conspiracy. It wasn't just software correction - there was also doubt about whether or not the T had an AA filter - some were told yes, others no. It was clarified - the answer is no. Likewise for software correction (on M lenses). The T lenses do have software correction.

Software correction is not only for distortion, but also luminance vignetting and colour drift. I imagine it would be a time consuming and laborious job to correct the whole backlog of M lenses for the new aps-c sensor. Certainly difficult in time for the initial release but something they could add at a later date via firmware - if they so wish. Leica seem to be keen to differentiate amongst their products. Sinar - S - M - X and T. Now the M's have built-in correction already, the T is aimed at a different market - why would they ?

http://j.mp/1c7dRuR#sthash.aSeDbv8f.dpuf



Farcical? Perhaps, but the fact remains that as of today, there has been no official communication from Leica to clarify whether or not the T lenses have software correction of optical defects. The fact remains that during a presentation/interview a Leica representative said that the T lenses use only optical correction. This is not true.

So yes, Leica have not lied, but a Leica representative was one of the following: ignorant about the product; overenthusiastic; full of BS.

I was not discussing the filter, and I have no problem with software correction, just with false allegations and claims.

Relax, I am sure the T is a great camera, I would buy one with the 35mm equivalent lens if I had the money. As it is, I make do with the also excellent Fuji X100...
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« Reply #101 on: May 07, 2014, 02:53:33 PM »
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The fact remains that during a presentation/interview a Leica representative said that the T lenses use only optical correction. This is not true.

The fact remains? The possibility exists, yes, but who has established this as fact? All I've read are claims & statements, along with varying degrees of self-righteous indignation.

Anyway, per my earlier post on the subject, I suspect the fuss is less about this particular product and more about a distaste for Leica's marketing & pricing strategy. A distaste those objecting to the strategy are mostly unwilling to directly express.

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« Reply #102 on: May 07, 2014, 03:12:24 PM »
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"Leica T lenses: Correcting some distortions"

Every time I read this DPR heading I wonder if it's referring to lens distortions or distortions in their article?
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« Reply #103 on: May 07, 2014, 08:08:17 PM »
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Good God, this is all so pointless...all of it, on this forum and elsewhere. Buy it, or don't. Everyone has an a**hole and an opinion, and its all so silly. If you think Dr. Kaufmann gives a rat's derriere, you're wrong. He's too busy counting his money.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #104 on: May 08, 2014, 01:18:22 AM »
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At least the 'image quality professor' sits there in his white coat and looks busy.
Maybe he (Leica MD) should stop counting his money, buff some aluminium then sign the camera for added value?
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« Reply #105 on: May 08, 2014, 02:53:18 AM »
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The fact remains? The possibility exists, yes, but who has established this as fact? All I've read are claims & statements, along with varying degrees of self-righteous indignation.

Anyway, per my earlier post on the subject, I suspect the fuss is less about this particular product and more about a distaste for Leica's marketing & pricing strategy. A distaste those objecting to the strategy are mostly unwilling to directly express.

-Dave-

In my case, I have no distaste for Leica's marketing and pricing strategy. I know I will never have money to buy them:) Once upon a time I managed to buy a Leica CM, very nice camera. In my post, I never commented on their pricing, just that their representative was wrong in not being open about the correction subject.

Had I a distaste, you may be sure that I would have no problem in expressing it directly. I also can not understand all this "fan boyism" and defensive attitude, look, Leica does not need you to defend them:)
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« Reply #106 on: May 08, 2014, 03:27:55 AM »
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I also can not understand all this "fan boyism" and defensive attitude, look, Leica does not need you to defend them:)

Mention Leica and the clichés just abound. Doctors, lawyers, dentists, wealthy Asians, baubles, fan boys...

My cameras are less than perfect. I'm more critical of the manufacturers who make my cameras than those who don't. You can be sure that Leica are well aware of those criticisms. 

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« Reply #107 on: May 08, 2014, 02:55:21 PM »
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I also can not understand all this "fan boyism" and defensive attitude, look, Leica does not need you to defend them:)

Hey, I'm interested not in allegation but information. Anyone can claim anything about anything. But what are the facts of the matter? Seems to me the matter is murky, therefore best not to make conclusions. I could care less about defending Leica...but neither am I predisposed to condemn them.

Since we're already way off-topic...I've attached a test pic taken with an M8 & Zeiss 21/2.8 lens. 720 nanometer IR filter, ISO 640, 1/30th sec., f/5.6, handheld. Processed on my iPad with PhotoRaw and Photogene. The lens has an IR focus offset mark, which in my testing is well placed. One person's flaw—"excessive" IR sensitivity—is another's "Hell, yeah!"

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« Reply #108 on: May 09, 2014, 04:45:00 AM »
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Wow everyone.   Be cool.

All this is just fun talk about pretty little cameras to make pretty little pictures.

The Leica thing always freaks people out, I dunno why.

Maybe it's the Porsche 911 thing.  Some people see Le Man's victories, some see guys with gold chains, but honestly the brand stands for both.

Same with Leica.   It's a bauble to some, a well made tool for others, but it's nothing to get hot about.

This is my favorite m8 shot I did barcelona



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« Reply #109 on: May 09, 2014, 07:27:55 AM »
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BC,

Nice picture, thanks for sharing.

Best regards
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« Reply #110 on: August 10, 2014, 07:53:48 PM »
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A review on La Vida Leica!.  It seems to fall a bit short…:
http://lavidaleica.com/content/hands-leica-t-type-701
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« Reply #111 on: August 11, 2014, 09:36:27 AM »
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A review on La Vida Leica!. It seems to fall a bit short…:
http://lavidaleica.com/content/hands-leica-t-type-701

Personally I see no reason what so ever to buy this system and if it was made by Samsung I doubt anyone would look twice at it. Maybe I'm being cruel but I suspect that the badge is everything and the only reason this will sell regardless of how many times it locks up. I think that not being able to stop it reviewing every shot would be enough by itself to make me drop kick it over a hedge.
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« Reply #112 on: August 15, 2014, 11:02:55 PM »
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Wow everyone.   Be cool.

All this is just fun talk about pretty little cameras to make pretty little pictures.

The Leica thing always freaks people out, I dunno why.

Maybe it's the Porsche 911 thing.  Some people see Le Man's victories, some see guys with gold chains, but honestly the brand stands for both.

Same with Leica.   It's a bauble to some, a well made tool for others, but it's nothing to get hot about.



hmmm, I hope you know more about cameras than you do about vehicles…. really...
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« Reply #113 on: August 15, 2014, 11:21:10 PM »
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hmmm, I hope you know more about cameras than you do about vehicles…. really...

A bit pedantic, no? Porsche makes cars that run in Le Mans races. Guys with gold chains dig Porsches. Some of 'em anyway. BC's link is thereby established.   Cheesy

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« Reply #114 on: August 16, 2014, 07:54:35 AM »
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allegretto obviously owns porche but finds gold chained men distasteful........This site can be so entertaining!
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« Reply #115 on: August 16, 2014, 10:09:03 AM »
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well no fellas… I raced cars. The last ones being Porsche Cups. And while a 911 is occasionally owned by a be-baubled old guy, the truth is that the Italian breeds are far more likely to be their ride of choice. Ferraris and Lambos are far more popular with the Viagra for Lunch Bunch

A 911 is an exquisitely designed car, and in any of its renditions can be driven directly from the showroom to the track, beaten like a rented mule all day and drive home a pretty as you please. And come back tomorrow and do it again. In truth there are very few vehicles that can make such a claim, literally you can count them on one hand. It's brakes, steering, cooling, engine, transmission… all the things many think all cars simply possess, are engineered to a different standard than just about anything out there. Yes, viewfinder, I admire the cars Porsche makes and most who know about these matters too share that admiration.

No doubt there are professional cameras that have parallel durability and performance and some of you could school me all about it. The poster simply chose a poor example to make a valid point. No harm, just a bit of insight into an interesting thread. Nothing to get upset about...
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« Reply #116 on: August 16, 2014, 10:20:29 AM »
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Sorry, actually tuned into this thread to see what people thought about the Leica T. Bought one yesterday and am having a lot of fun with it. Wanted to get other opinions, but it appears that not many here have actually used or own one so there isn't too much to go on about.

Sorry my 911 comment ruffled feathers, truly. But it's just that Porsche doesn't design that car for the gold-chain crowd, sincerely.

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« Reply #117 on: August 16, 2014, 07:19:08 PM »
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Sorry, actually tuned into this thread to see what people thought about the Leica T. Bought one yesterday and am having a lot of fun with it. Wanted to get other opinions, but it appears that not many here have actually used or own one so there isn't too much to go on about.

Sorry my 911 comment ruffled feathers, truly. But it's just that Porsche doesn't design that car for the gold-chain crowd, sincerely.

cheers


It doesn't matter as I just used it as an example. 

Obviously it touched a nerve, but since Porsche sold 18,000 Cayenne SUV's compared to 10,000 911's in 2013 U.S. sales,  It's obvious that every porsche sold isn't isn't aimed at a motor sports market, but it helps fund their traditional cars.

You know . . .  as a professional photographer that has made 100% of our household income in the industry for most of my adult life, I've listened to  . . . I dunno about a billion people who own a __fill in the blanks__ and call themselves a photographer.

I guess I could take exception and explain to them my view of what a photographer is, but I've learned to not judge by quick comments and honestly have been pleasantly surprised by a few very good enthusiasts.

But back to the T type.   I messed around with one, think it's interesting, might be the future of things to come.

I wouldn't go as far as calling the T a bauble, but for serious photography it's more of an interesting anecdote that an actual balls out tool.

What I find interesting is the operating system in concept, less in function, though I believe the concept could have a more involved purpose
if Leica chose to expand upon it.

We'll see.

IMO

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« Reply #118 on: August 16, 2014, 10:54:42 PM »
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thanks for the input cooter

all good by me, no nerves or arteries hit... Wink
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« Reply #119 on: August 17, 2014, 06:42:31 AM »
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allegretto,....Well put and honourably said!

I will be most interested to see how you get on with the 'T',....the ONLY current small camera that I feel naturally drawn to.    Looking at the web material it looks superbly simple and seems the essence of 'form follows function'........It just looks like the perfect tool for my fumbling efforts!

..........I'm seriously tempted to scrape my bottle tops together and get one with v/f, and perhaps 'kit' zoom.

I would love to see how it would behave with my Canon FD lenses that have resided in the cupboard these past 25 years......
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