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stacibeth
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« on: June 11, 2014, 03:13:11 PM »
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So weird!
I shot some landscapes the other day, i set my color space on my canon 1ds mark3 to landscape, downloaded and went to ACR to process, thats when i noticed the color space was set to adobe standard which was very different. I called canon only to find, apparently photoshop cc does not support the canon colorspaces and changes it to their standard.

Upon opening them in DPP (the canon software) yes they come up in the correct color space and the color looks great, but this software softens my images like crazy, even when i sharpen them. Where as ACR produces super sharp images.

So do i A, process in camera raw and have sharp images that the color is off, or what?

has anyone else experienced this?? What do I do? What are my options??
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2014, 03:38:17 PM »
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So weird!
I shot some landscapes the other day, i set my color space on my canon 1ds mark3 to landscape, downloaded and went to ACR to process, thats when i noticed the color space was set to adobe standard which was very different.
Those settings (picture styles like 'landscape') have no bearing on raw data, only a camera JPEG and ACR/LR doesn't use Adobe Standard or any DNG profile expect with raw data.
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So do i A, process in camera raw and have sharp images that the color is off, or what?
You use the controls and tools in ACR to make the image appear as you desire and sharp. If the color is 'off', it means you have some sliders to move so the color isn't 'off' any longer.
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2014, 05:40:23 PM »
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All the Canon Picture Styles buy you are a set of presets for someone's idea of what a prepackaged set of adjustments might look best under some circumstances. They aren't any more valid or meaningful than adjustments you might make on your own, to suit your own eye. If you find that you always seem to add a little saturation and contrast boost (just an example), you could set up a preset to do that for all your images automatically as they're imported.

I suppose one thing you could do is shoot something and process it in DPP with a Picture Style you like. Then save that out as a TIFF, and import it to Lightroom. Import the original into LR directly. Then use compare mode to look at both versions simultaneously. Tweak the direct to LR version to match the DPP version as closely as possible, then save those adjustments out as a preset.

With older Canon DSLRs, I always relied on my own profiles using Adobe's free DNG Profile Editor. But I haven't seen any real benefit so far from the custom one I made for my 6D. I suspect the current Adobe profiles for the 1DsIII are probably pretty good too. For really critical color work, I'll reference either a Spyder Cube or a Macbeth Color Checker, or set a custom white balance with a gray card. But as time goes on, I find I only need that when dealing with tungsten or mixed lighting.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2014, 05:51:36 PM »
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...I called canon only to find, apparently photoshop cc does not support the canon colorspaces and changes it to their standard.

Not correct, see the attached screen shot.

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... DPP (the canon software) ... software softens my images like crazy, even when i sharpen them...

Highly unlikely, you must be doing something very wrong.

So, long story short, just select your Canon color profile of choice (e.g., Landscape) in ACR or Lightroom and all is well.
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2014, 07:27:20 PM »
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I agree something must be wrong. Even with Elements 6 on my computer and no CC I found this:



I assume the OP was referring camera profiles, not color spaces?

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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2014, 03:24:13 AM »
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I assume the OP was referring camera profiles, not color spaces?
Yes, to avoid confusion it should be pointed out to the OP that what she is referring to is what Canon calls "Picture Styles". Color spaces are something quite different and the camera gives you a choice of two, sRGB and Adobe RGB. Both the P.S. and the color space settings are used for jpgs produced by the camera and not Raws. A P.S. is a package of processing parameters which includes a camera profile that determines how colors are rendered in the jpg, contrast, saturation and sharpening. The camera attaches a tag to Raw files which is read by DPP and it applies the same processing package as its default. The tag is not read by ACR, however the user can manually select (in Calibration) a DNG Camera Profile that emulates the relevant Canon profile. The DCPs are for the most part very close to the Canon originals, but given the fact that they are reconstructions it would be wrong to expect them to be 100%. It also should be noted that the other elements in the P.S. package - contrast, saturation and sharpening - are independent ACR parameters that are not affected by the choice of profile and should be set to the user's taste. A color space for the rendered RGB image must also be selected.
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