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Giedo
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« on: December 01, 2005, 04:11:18 AM »
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Hi,

As we are speaking every second a new weblog is started somewhere in the world. Still the Luminous Landscape depends on a website, a forum and a dvd... all very nice, but also a bit old fashioned.
Wouldn't it be time for a LL weblog, with vodcasts and podcasts to download - not instead of the hardware that is shipped around world, but as an addition?
For example, a LL photoblog to comment on each others work and share ideas would work very well I think.

Regards, Giedo
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2005, 04:28:30 AM »
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I think that most of us here are open to change, and that additional media would indeed be interesting as a way to enable richer communication.

On the other hand, the key is the content, and a media paradigm change does in itself not have the potential to add much actual value. We should also be careful not to jump too quickly on the latest technologies since I assume that many readers might not have access to a high bandwidth connection yet.

The bottomline though lies in the willingness of Michael to keep investing time and energy in the Luminuous-Landscape, and at maintaining it as a community where landscape photographers can grown mutually.

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Bernard
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2005, 05:32:13 AM »
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It's a little bit frightening when someone suggests that three technologies which are no more than 5 years old in general circulation is considered old.

Given that the website and forum is provided gratis, supported by video journal subscirptions and other sales/forms of income (I believe Michael does a bit of pole dancing on the side to keep the site going) we should be grateful for what we have.

Finally, I believe that Michael and the crewe or migrating to High Definition content on the video journal at some point in the future which is probably a better selection of technology given the site objectives than adding more gizmo technology which would need additional technical support to implement and maintain.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2005, 09:11:20 AM »
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we should be grateful for what we have.
Nobody is saying anything about not being grateful. I am a long term supporter of this site and own all video journals and even joined a workshop (which was a great experience!)
I'm just trying to give some ideas. Just speaking for myself, I don't need high def images, but I do check LL Forum almost every day for new ideas, insights and inspiration.

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which is probably a better selection of technology given the site objectives than adding more gizmo technology
So, what is the goal of this site?

Maybe for some not the same as for others.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2005, 09:21:18 AM »
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Podcasts and videocasts are a nice idea.

I think the practical consideration is both storage space and bandwidth. The costs for Web server capacity could be very expensive.

NAPP is doing podcasts and Photoshop TV. They found it to be so expensive, they had to find sponsors to help defray the costs. Michael strives to keep his site free from advertiser support so there is no question about his views being independent.

Something like 50GB of bandwidth sounds like a lot. But even without podcasts or videocasts, my own site generates 10-20 GB of traffic each month from downloading action sets and PDF tutorials. Going to forums with lots of images, podcasts, etc. would quickly exceed 50 GB a month. I have no doubt that Michael's site would experience even more traffic.

I know there are ISPs that offer unlimited bandwidth, etc. The problem is then either storage space or how many users can access the site.

I have no limit on traffic with Interland. But I only get 50 MB of storage, for example. They do that on purpose to limit multimedia. The other limit is that the site is on a shared server. So, if traffic gets too heavy, throughput will slow down. There's always trade-offs, unless you are willing to pay more than site without advertising and the like can ypically afford and remain free to all who visit.

If Michael did decide to include videocasts and podcasts, I'd be pleased.

I'm not disagreeing that it would be a very welcome addition to Michael's site. I just believe there are practicalities that get in the way of implementing it.

Perhaps you know of a low cost way of implementing your suggestion? One that can reliably serve simulataneous access by dozens of people? I'd be interested, for my own site.

Cheers,

Mitch
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2005, 12:29:37 PM »
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I love this site because of its content and the clarity and quality of the advice and opinions on it.

Sure its dated looking and, frankly, ugly (in this Web 2.0 world). Its also sometimes difficult to navigate and find things but its worth putting up with these drawbacks for the information here.

If the site was updated to use a modern Content Management System such as Drupal it would be much easier for Michael to update and for users to navigate. I'm sure it also could be very successfully monitized by adding Google Adsense and Chitika ads. I'd be surprised if it didn't rake in at least $400 a month with them.

But I'd still be happy if none of this is implemented because as I said before the content here is unmatched and it doesn't really matter how its delivered. I'd still read it if it was printed on used Kleenex.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2005, 12:40:59 PM »
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The problem is bandwidth.

All this would be cool but it needs to be paid for.  I can live with ads and I typically buy my photo gear by clicking through the links at dpreview.  (When I remember.)  I'd be happy to do that here.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2005, 05:09:46 PM »
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I'll go agaisnt the grain here.  I apreciate the fact that this site isn't supported by anyone but its author and his own endevors.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2005, 05:29:10 PM »
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Old fashioned?  I'm in the tech field and always tell my clients that a solution is obsolete when it no longer does the job it was designed to do.  For me LL and the discussion forum serves its purpose for what I need and look for right now.  

My only wish is Michael take less trips and contribute more current content.... but that is probably my envious side coming out.    

Kelly
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2005, 06:52:27 AM »
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i'm in my twenties still but I have an old fashoned question, what the heck is a podcast? something to do with ipod? I don't have or want one...
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2005, 08:28:41 AM »
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i'm in my twenties still but I have an old fashoned question, what the heck is a podcast? something to do with ipod? I don't have or want one...
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A podcast is a just a posh name for a downloadable audio tutorial or article in mp3 (or other) format which can be uploaded to an mp3 player or just played back on the computer. Quite often such podcasts can be integrated into an RSS feed enabling the respective audio articles to be automatically downloaded and agregated into whichever audio player that you have to create a customised audio journal or newspaper of the day/week/month. Its a contraction of iPOD and bradCAST. If you want examples of such new technologies then try out the BBC news website who are quite good at integrating new technologies as they arise.

[a href=\"http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/downloadtrial/]BBC Podcast Trial[/url]
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2005, 10:06:27 AM »
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Just to be clear, no iPod or portable MP3 player is required. You can listen to them on your computer.

Podcasts are not just audio, there are many video podcasts too.

The Apple iTunes Music Store (you need iTunes for Windows, Mac, and soon Linux) has a podcast section where you can subscribe to podcasts and have them automatically download when new "shows" are added. It makes the subscribing process much easier as you don't need to know about RSS or any of the underling technologies.

Even though its not photography related check out the TikiBar TV podcast, it's a hoot! There are also several photography and photoshop podcasts there too. Do a search for "photo" to see many of them. Also look for "lenswork" its short but excellent.

Currently all the podcasts in iTunes are free. In the near future there will be a way for publishers to add subscriptions that charge a fee and can generate revenue for the publisher.
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2005, 09:09:17 AM »
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If you really want to get to the "bleeding edge" try the podcast of photoshop with Scott Kelby. I'm afraid to bring my iPod into the car as it will distract me while driving.
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