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« on: December 17, 2005, 07:10:10 PM »
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CHeck out www.red.com

It's early stages yet, but this promises to be a revolutionary video camera. I was wondering on people's thoughts from a photographer's point of view.

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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2005, 05:02:24 PM »
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They have my attention!

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2005, 06:04:49 PM »
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The person behind the camera is Jim Jannard of Oakley. Basicaly he got fed up of poor quality cameras and companies that didn't listen. He's also a camera nut.

But he wants feedback, feature request etc. He wants to listen!

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2006, 07:35:29 AM »
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I just want to know how much he paid for his domain name...  
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2006, 07:39:07 AM »
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:-) Don't know!

But what do you think about the camera?

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2006, 10:19:10 AM »
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I read an interview on the hd for indies site, and the hype reminds me of when the segway came out.... but the specs sound sweet.... although the storage issues sound scary! wait till NAB... wait till NAB.....blah, blah....

If i won the lottery... I would be tempted to try to create a beast similar! how about a nitrogin cooled phaseone 16mp chip at 24p?... you think fiberchannel, an xserve on a cart, hassy lens's, .... blow away imax?... Iv'e read panavision had a 12mp 24p camera that is p-mount!

I have a sony hdv camera, and it paid for it's self the first week I had it... I use it as I use my phaseone back shooting stills, but create non-static images with it... i.e. beverage pours, etc.

been fantisizing about building a 35mm lens adaptor like the guerilla 35 or mini 35... would love the shallow depth of field.... might even build something with a lensbaby attached...

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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2006, 12:49:34 PM »
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Am I missing something?

It seems to be a web site high on nifty looking pages that load slowly, but low on information.  

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2006, 01:19:22 PM »
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It will be low on info until NAB. There are things that, from a business perspective, we just can't release now. At NAB we'll be able to tell you more.

But this is not a fantasy product. It's very real, and if I have anything to do with it, will be gobsmackingly good.

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2006, 09:18:35 AM »
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do you have anything to do with it?

sorry about the orange type above.... wasn't thinking right.


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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2006, 10:42:45 AM »
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Indeed, I do have a lot to do with it :-) I'm one of the industry experts on the development team. So, yes, I'm very biassed towards this product, but I can tell you this, that we'd all not be onboard developing this project if it wasn't the coolest project we'd ever heard of.

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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2006, 09:52:51 PM »
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I have been looking all over for information on this camera and can't find anything but vague promises. They are not vague about the chip, which sounds great, but everything else surrounding it.

CMOS chips with greater than 4K resolution already exist. In fact, chip technology really isn't the problem, since most readers of this site probably have better technology in their still cameras. Recording all that information is much harder than generating it. This is a subject the RED website is mute about. The one picture they have of their camera does not seem to include a recorder or tether of any kind. Then again, it doesn't really look like much of a camera either. (It does bear a striking resemblance to Oakley sunglasses.)

I wasn't at NAB and haven't heard whether anything was revealed there. The whole thing looks strange, though, because they are very tightlipped about any details. 4K resolution is fine, but nothing new. Recording it without massive amounts of compression - now that would be an achievement. So far, all I see is promises and flash with virtually no substance.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2006, 12:52:41 AM »
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Well, CMOS of that resolution, 11.4mp that does 60fps is quite unique. There will be multiple output ports - high speed serial to RED RAID / RAM or 3rd party box, dual and single link HD SDI to traditional recording, computer or DDR, and you put a digital magazine in the camera itself for on-board recording. That magazine can be flash or hard drive, and has a quad port e-sata, fw400, fw800 and USB 2.0 interface to connect it to your NLE.

The video that goes onto the magazine is recorded using RED code, a new codec that's based upon wavelet technology.

What is new though, is the price - $17,500, which for a video camera of this resolution and form-factor is revolutionary.

We hope to have the engineering done by the end of the year and for the camera to go on sale 1st quarter next year.

Pity you couldn't have made it to NAB as it would have been great to meet you and tell you all about the camera.

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2006, 07:22:23 PM »
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I've been following this project for a while, when I first heard about it at DVXuser.com.  I'm really glad you guys are doing this, and the price is amazing, since I was expecting it to cost 50-100k.  I really hope all of this will become a reality.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2006, 07:53:21 PM »
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I'm working full time on making sure it happens!

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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2006, 11:45:38 AM »
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The person behind the camera is Jim Jannard of Oakley. Basicaly he got fed up of poor quality cameras and companies that didn't listen. He's also a camera nut.  But he wants feedback, feature request etc. He wants to listen!

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Well, I appreciate for your concern about our feedback.  I like that about any company that ask those questions.

> If using Bayer CFA, then it's a good idea to use higher count pixels/photodiodes

> Increase more dynamic range, >12 stops

> Don't use really aggressive 'low-pass' filter in front of the sensor, and have the option to take it out if it doesn't degrade image quality

> Many manufacturer uses 14 bits A/D at photodiodes' site now, may be 14 bits is the very least for your A/D conversion
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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2006, 11:53:07 AM »
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>12 stops - that's what we're aiming for!

Bayer 12mp - should be more than adequate to extract enough data from the cine lenses used, and is overkill for modern digital projection.

As for OLPF, we'll use the mathematically correct amount - not too little not too much. I don't know if the form factor will allow it to be removed though. Bayer without a OLPF look awful to my eyes.

The sensor is 12bit A to D - can't change that until we work on the next camera, but it should be more than adequate for our initial needs, especially with the constraints of running at 60fps.

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>12 stops - that's what we're aiming for!

Bayer 12mp - should be more than adequate to extract enough data from the cine lenses used, and is overkill for modern digital projection.

The sensor is 12bit A to D - can't change that until we work on the next camera, but it should be more than adequate for our initial needs, especially with the constraints of running at 60fps.

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> That would be good if could get >73dB
> Why would 60fps put a constraints in using 14bits A/D, is not that much more isn't it?
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2006, 01:29:18 PM »
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We're certainly aiming for more than the 66db, bu as to how high we get, we'll have to wait and see!

As for the 14bit, I'm not a sensor engineer, so I really don't know on that. All I know is that what we're getting is the best we can get for our needs.

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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2006, 03:36:48 PM »
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It definitely looks promising enough.

Is it possible to use following lenses?

-   Master Prime Lenses from Carl Zeiss
-   Ultra Prime Lenses from Carl Zeiss
-   DigiZoom™ Lenses fro Carl Zeiss
-   DigiPrime® Lenses

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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2006, 04:17:19 PM »
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As long as the image from the lens covers the super 35mm frame, and has a PL mount, it will work right out of the box. The DigiPrimes and DigiZooms are for 2/3" sensors are they not? If so, they won't produce a big enough image. We will have a 2/3" mount in the future, but then you're limited to a 2k centre crop of the sensor, not the full 4k.

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